Ok what ever happened to this whole going to Mars thing?? If you ask me it was all political in the first place. By this I mean that it was said that we would be going to Mars purely to distract people from something and that he never really meant for us to go.
I’m not saying that this is a conspiracy from the W; I really think it’s a government strategy used by all parties.
One theory of mine on the sudden burnout of the Mars project: The original Mars project proposed by W would have taken years to prepare for…and perhaps now he is not so suer he will be re-elected. I don’t think its because Kerry is such a great rival…I think they both suck (hehe), but a lot of people are getting tired of the war and politics in general!!
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Ah feels good to let some thoughts out of me head
Doesn't feel so good on this end of it.....
Going to Mars is bad. Scientists will open up portals to Hell, and Doom Guy will have to go in and kill all the demons again
If you ask me it was all political in the first place.
Figured that out all on your own, did you?
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Well partly...this leprechaun helped me.
No. Scientists opening portals to Hell is NOT political. Unless someone plans on champion hellspawn's rights.
Going to Mars is more of a future goal, an ongoing research project. You didn't expect to have a colony there by the end of the year did you?
Besides, they're still trying to figure out how to get humans back into orbit without making them asplode. Apparently someone thinks that sending man into the vacuum of space should be "safe".
Besides, they're still trying to figure out how to get humans back into orbit without making them asplode. Apparently someone thinks that sending man into the vacuum of space should be "safe".
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
If we spend 1/100th as much on Nasa as we do on the defense budget, we'd all be taking vactions to Moon Disney right now.
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As long as there's no digging on the surface of Mars, and we let no one named Betruger work there, we should be safe from Hell's gates opening.
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If we spend 1/100th as much on Nasa as we do on the defense budget, we'd all be taking vactions to Moon Disney right now.
Or conversely 3 guys with slingshots in the back of a 1972 Ford Pickup truck rolling through the streets of Bahgdad shouting "Get some! Woowee!"
I wasn't expecting a colony on Mars by the end of the year...thats ridiculous lol! I just found it curious that is was a huge issue for like a week, then it went away. Thats all.
Maybe W lost interest when he saw there was no oil in Mars doh!
Maybe W lost interest when he saw there was no oil in Mars doh!
If we spend 1/100th as much on Nasa as we do on the defense budget, we'd all be taking vactions to Moon Disney right now.
Don't ***** with my defense budget. In fact, increase it.
Wasn't FY'05 defense budget 471 billion, and the NASA FY'05 17 billion or so? The would mean we're spending about 1/28th as much on the NASA as we do on the defense budget.
I'm fully in favor of doubling the NASA's budget, as there are truly some brilliant, dedicated, visionary people there. On the flip side, I think the NASA sustains 3M and other tape makers through the dark and troubling economic periods.
I would suggest restructuring the welfare system so that some of the money actually goes to the poor, instead of the system itself, and then using the excess to fund our native voyage to Mars.
The earliest projections I saw for Mars were 2030 when I was around JSC. IMHO, you really need to set up a colony on the moon first, if we're talking about sustained, worthwhile space exploration. Either that or build a really big, ridiculously expensive orbiting platform, overrunning cost estimates by billions, and never officially name the platform.
On a side note, it's interesting if you talk about what would or could have happened had money been invested differently at specific periods in time. I read a magazine article with a series of these turning points. The last one was backing Reagan's SDI and how that would have pushed forward the information revolution. The first was extending and shortening the dark ages, but I don't recall how.
Thoughts such as these weigh on me at the moment because I believe history will not look kindly at the decisions we (or our leaders at least) chose to make at this period in time.
Don't ***** with my defense budget. In fact, increase it.
Wasn't FY'05 defense budget 471 billion, and the NASA FY'05 17 billion or so? The would mean we're spending about 1/28th as much on the NASA as we do on the defense budget.
I'm fully in favor of doubling the NASA's budget, as there are truly some brilliant, dedicated, visionary people there. On the flip side, I think the NASA sustains 3M and other tape makers through the dark and troubling economic periods.
I would suggest restructuring the welfare system so that some of the money actually goes to the poor, instead of the system itself, and then using the excess to fund our native voyage to Mars.
The earliest projections I saw for Mars were 2030 when I was around JSC. IMHO, you really need to set up a colony on the moon first, if we're talking about sustained, worthwhile space exploration. Either that or build a really big, ridiculously expensive orbiting platform, overrunning cost estimates by billions, and never officially name the platform.
On a side note, it's interesting if you talk about what would or could have happened had money been invested differently at specific periods in time. I read a magazine article with a series of these turning points. The last one was backing Reagan's SDI and how that would have pushed forward the information revolution. The first was extending and shortening the dark ages, but I don't recall how.
Thoughts such as these weigh on me at the moment because I believe history will not look kindly at the decisions we (or our leaders at least) chose to make at this period in time.
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Or conversely 3 guys with slingshots in the back of a 1972 Ford Pickup truck rolling through the streets of Bahgdad shouting "Get some! Woowee!"
I know them...
They need to build a fuel efficient heavy lift cargo shuttle, and a longer ranged manned shuttle. The need is there. The technology is more than there, why the hell won't someone get off their *** and authorize the building of the damned things. Three shuttles is not enough to maintain our existing infrastructure. A moon base is also essential to have a low gravity jump off point where we can build an industrial base. The stars are there for the taking, if only we would make the necessary steps.
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They need to build a fuel efficient heavy lift cargo shuttle, and a longer ranged manned shuttle. The need is there. The technology is more than there, why the hell won't someone get off their *** and authorize the building of the damned things.
You people thought it was a better idea for me to get a $27,000 tax cut apparently.
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see? that could have been a space shutttle left engine pod nacele cover!
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I just found it curious that is was a huge issue for like a week, then it went away.
That sounds like just about every news story I see on CNN.
Some even last two weeks and then poof! no more news about it.
I guess this means that if the media isn't talking about it, well then it must not exist any more.
Bush brought it up to show he vision, allthough people quickly said "You're not Kennedy, Assh[b][/b]ole" to which he replied "Mars, ***************
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They need to build a fuel efficient heavy lift cargo shuttle, and a longer ranged manned shuttle. The need is there. The technology is more than there, why the hell won't someone get off their *** and authorize the building of the damned things.
Not really.
Fuel efficient and heavy lift shuttle don't exactly go hand-in-hand.
Remember we want proven, safe, technologies, and I'd argue that outside of nuclear solutions (stigma here), they largely don't exist right now outside of laboratories.
A large part of the problem is budget, scrapping the space shuttle, and of course all that adhesive I mentioned previously to start something rolling forward.
Not really.
Fuel efficient and heavy lift shuttle don't exactly go hand-in-hand.
Remember we want proven, safe, technologies, and I'd argue that outside of nuclear solutions (stigma here), they largely don't exist right now outside of laboratories.
A large part of the problem is budget, scrapping the space shuttle, and of course all that adhesive I mentioned previously to start something rolling forward.
For a cargo shuttle, I don't care about proven technologies. proven = dated in the space race. there are several ways it could be done, a SSTo would be ideal but a two stage ari breather/piggyback rig like spaceship1 would also work.
The linear aerospike engine works, it was meeting operational efficiency ratings, the fuel tank was just bogus. That or any number of other standard turbine mixed liquid fuel rocket motors would do the job. Just no solid stage boosters that take wayyy to long to pack. Also it needs to be built so the heat shielding is integrated, no more individual fragile tiles. Make the main body out of titanium, we can get it from russia cheap enough these days. To achieve the same system functionality of discovery right now with no upgrades, it could be literally done at half the weight. That weight can be used for upgrades, or fuel mass.
The linear aerospike engine works, it was meeting operational efficiency ratings, the fuel tank was just bogus. That or any number of other standard turbine mixed liquid fuel rocket motors would do the job. Just no solid stage boosters that take wayyy to long to pack. Also it needs to be built so the heat shielding is integrated, no more individual fragile tiles. Make the main body out of titanium, we can get it from russia cheap enough these days. To achieve the same system functionality of discovery right now with no upgrades, it could be literally done at half the weight. That weight can be used for upgrades, or fuel mass.
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They need to build a fuel efficient heavy lift cargo shuttle, and a longer ranged manned shuttle. The need is there. The technology is more than there, why the hell won't someone get off their *** and authorize the building of the damned things. Three shuttles is not enough to maintain our existing infrastructure. A moon base is also essential to have a low gravity jump off point where we can build an industrial base. The stars are there for the taking, if only we would make the necessary steps.
The problem is that Nasa is so bogged down with unnecessary procedures that anyone with a glimmer of intelligence is washed away in a sea of beauracy.
Why the hell does everyone want to go to Mars? It's just a another planet, never did anything to us, and we all want to go and pollute it with our nasty *** human antics. It's not even that pretty, and there are more important things to spend our money on down here than on some child fantasy to 'touch the stars'.
Ok, try this. Locate a basket. Fill it with eggs. Now drop the basket from a high height.
Messy no?
Ok, now get two baskets. Fill both with eggs. Now place one of the baskets in a save spot, and drop the other...
Get it?
there are enough Fusion weapons on this planet at this time to vaporize the outer crust of this planet down to the molten core. we could probably nuke that too if we tried hard enough.
Maybe it isn't important. We could always ask the dinosaurs.
Messy no?
Ok, now get two baskets. Fill both with eggs. Now place one of the baskets in a save spot, and drop the other...
Get it?
there are enough Fusion weapons on this planet at this time to vaporize the outer crust of this planet down to the molten core. we could probably nuke that too if we tried hard enough.
Maybe it isn't important. We could always ask the dinosaurs.
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Ok so let's say we destroy our own planet. We all die. What's the big deal?? The universe is better off with that much less organisms, especially scum like us humans. I don't see the argument.
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Ok so let's say we destroy our own planet. We all die. What's the big deal?? The universe is better off with that much less organisms, especially scum like us humans. I don't see the argument.
Well, with logic like that...
If you don't care, then why bother posting on the topic? You've presented a position from which *nothing* is worth doing. Maybe we should all just drink the punch now and get it over with?
There are efficient new engines available for earth orbit launches. They just haven't been put into production yet. I agree with Kao, that that should be our focus. Getting payload to orbit with the least cost is the most important thing right now. Until we do that, we can't do anything else.
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RadekDeLoku wrote:
Ok so let's say we destroy our own planet. We all die. What's the big deal?? The universe is better off with that much less organisms, especially scum like us humans. I don't see the argument.
Okay.
You go first.
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