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#52 Aug 06 2004 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Clintons approach to North Korea

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Evidence that North Korea was violating the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty surfaced within weeks of Clinton's first inauguration. After a year of inaction allowed Pyongyang to create at least one nuclear weapon, the emboldened Stalinists announced their formal withdrawal from the treaty. It seemed North Korean officials were angling for a payoff. They must have realized they struck the jackpot when Clinton named tough-as-nails Jimmy Carter as his principal negotiator.

Under the final terms of the Agreed Framework approved in October of 1994, Clinton agreed to provide the "Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea" (DPRK) with two light water nuclear reactors and a massive allotment of oil. The U.S. agreed to ship 500,000 metric tons of oil annually in response to the North's pretense that the energy-starved backwater had developed the nuclear facility to generate power. These shipments have cost taxpayers more than $800 million to date - a bargain compared with the $6 billion spent on constructing the nuclear reactors, which now empower North Korea to produce 100 nuclear bombs each year.


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The attempt to blame the current state of affairs on Bush's "axis of evil" speech is cowardly blame-shifting of the worst sort. It is holding the solution responsible for the problem. Clinton's coddling of dictators with a yearning for Weapons of Mass Destruction got us here. But North Korea is only one bloom from the seeds planted during his tenure as Commander-in-Chief, when he forged what one critic called an "astonishing reversal of nine previous U.S. administrations" and their refusal to negotiate with terrorists


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5368

Yeah Bush is handling Korea the wrong way though.

Varus


Varus, have you ever quoted news from even a remotely reliable source?
#53 Aug 06 2004 at 10:34 AM Rating: Default
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Here's something that might shock you, Stok, I mean Varuss. I think I'll just call you both VarusStok actually, that'll be much easier.

Anyway, here it is:

Not everything you read is true.

Shocking, I know!


Evidence that North Korea was violating the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty surfaced within weeks of Clinton's first inauguration. After a year of inaction allowed Pyongyang to create at least one nuclear weapon, the emboldened Stalinists announced their formal withdrawal from the treaty.


Is blantanly false.

The rest is of course more bullsh[b][/b]it lies. But ******** lies that support what you'd like to be true for some odd reason, not having any real intrest in the long term security of the US, but only in making the greatest president of the last half of the 20'th century look bad because Bush pales so horribly in comparison.

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#54 Aug 06 2004 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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The last 4 years have been sh*t for this country, though we are in the strongest economic growth in 20 years,


Economic growth?? I don't know what part of the country you are referring to, but where I live(Bay Area), the unemployment rate is still at a record high.

#55 Aug 06 2004 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Varus, have you ever quoted news from even a remotely reliable source?
No, but he tries to discredit any mainstream article as biased and partisan. Does that count?
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#56 Aug 06 2004 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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No, but he tries to discredit any mainstream article as biased and partisan. Does that count?


I wonder.... If I go make a website with a bunch of Republican partisan ********* if Varus would quote it, and then I could change the article to liberal propoganda
#57 Aug 06 2004 at 10:39 AM Rating: Default
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The last 4 years have been sh*t for this country, though we are in the strongest economic growth in 20 years


No they aren't.

That's insane. What colored fairy swept down and whipsered that particular lie in your ear?
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#58 Aug 06 2004 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, Virus did answer who would pay for the tax cuts:
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When you create tax cuts no ones paying for anything in fact people that actually pay the taxes are just not paying as much. So what exactly do you mean who's going to pay for the Bush tax cuts? Maybe if you actually paid taxes you'd know this.
Gee, I wish I could hire you to handle my personal finances. I've got to figure out a way to stop paying for goods and services too.
#59 Aug 06 2004 at 10:43 AM Rating: Default
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I've got to figure out a way to stop paying for goods and services too.


They key is getting a job that pays less and spending more. That's the Bush model. Your income will go up because you've spent so much.
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#60 Aug 06 2004 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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So, just giving away all of my money and doing nothing will make me rich?
#61 Aug 06 2004 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
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So, just giving away all of my money and doing nothing will make me rich?


Yeah, apparently. Just take the biggest loan you possibly can and try to make less money.
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#62 Aug 06 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, apparently. Just take the biggest loan you possibly can and try to make less money.

Hmmm.... I could quit my job, and blow old men on the streets for popcorn kernels.
#63 Aug 06 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Default
Smashed link me the part of kerrys website that disclose the medical records behind kerrys 2nd and 3rd purple heart.

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#64 Aug 06 2004 at 10:50 AM Rating: Default
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Hmmm.... I could quit my job, and blow old men on the streets for popcorn kernels.


I thought you said you were going to quit your job?
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#65 Aug 06 2004 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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My other job.
#66 Aug 06 2004 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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That's insane. What colored fairy swept down and whipsered that particular lie in your ear?


I better stop listening to NPR then.

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Yeah, apparently. Just take the biggest loan you possibly can and try to make less money.


You better stop that Smash all the sheep around here that follow every word you say as Gospel will actually try that. :)

And stop referring to me as Varrus. Sheesh.




#67 Aug 06 2004 at 11:04 AM Rating: Default
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NPR said that the last four years showed the greatest economic growth in the last 20 years, VarusStok?

I'm sure you have a link to that?

What's the point of the link you provide, to prove my point that Clinton was working to deter nucelar weapons and that the reactor wasn't even functioning when he left office?

Gee, thanks!
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#68 Aug 06 2004 at 11:05 AM Rating: Default
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And stop referring to me as Varrus. Sheesh


I would if I could tell the diffrence between the two of you.

Posting style, Identical.

Source material, Identical.

Political outlook, Identical.

Reasoning ability, Irendtical.

Can you really balme me for getting confused?
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#69 Aug 06 2004 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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1.) I personally am tired of picking over either candidats records as of 30 YEARS AGO. IMHO we should focus in on the present, this mainly involves President Bushes time spent as a CEO, governer of Texas, and as president and Kerry's voting record in the senate. I also believe that we should be more involved on what either candidate will attempt to do during his tenure in office and HOW he plans on accomplishing what he wants to do.

2.) North Korea. This is a very tricky issue. You have N. Korea trying to become a nuclear power. We don't want that. If we were to allow this to happen eastern Asia would become VERY unstable (even more so with China threatening to invade Taiwan right now). So, from what I understand, the Bush administration, in an attempt to keep the region from falling into war, has been trying to solve this issue through diplomatic pressure. Cutting of relations until they make a concession rather then us first giving aid. In theory, this would work for both sides as they lose the nuclear threat (albeit probrably temporarily) and they get aid, which they despretly need.
#70 Aug 06 2004 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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1.) I personally am tired of picking over either candidats records as of 30 YEARS AGO. IMHO we should focus in on the present, this mainly involves President Bushes time spent as a CEO, governer of Texas, and as president and Kerry's voting record in the senate. I also believe that we should be more involved on what either candidate will attempt to do during his tenure in office and HOW he plans on accomplishing what he wants to do.


Agreed. But I so enjoy getting the liberals all worked up, though they got me a bit riled yesterday, a rare event.

Hell, I probably won't even vote. :) J/k

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2.) North Korea. This is a very tricky issue. You have N. Korea trying to become a nuclear power. We don't want that. If we were to allow this to happen eastern Asia would become VERY unstable (even more so with China threatening to invade Taiwan right now). So, from what I understand, the Bush administration, in an attempt to keep the region from falling into war, has been trying to solve this issue through diplomatic pressure. Cutting of relations until they make a concession rather then us first giving aid. In theory, this would work for both sides as they lose the nuclear threat (albeit probrably temporarily) and they get aid, which they despretly need.


But the liberals don't think diplomacy is the right action because Bush is trying to make it work.

I would if I could tell the diffrence between the two of you.

Posting style, Identical. - Nuh uh. I write so much bettah.

Source material, Identical. - I use Drudge as a portal to find **** to bring back here. When proving my point I use reliable sources such as US government and UN sites, as well as reliable news sources.

Political outlook, Identical. - I'm middle of the raod with a slight lean to the right, I'm not extreme right. I still think Varrus is Empyre. Unfortunately his arguements can fit into my mindset at times. I'm not a racist nor am I sexist. I do not believe in the same economic theory as Varrus does.

Reasoning ability, Irendtical. - Here you are wrong again. Forum debate here in the Asylum requires some different strategies that won't work in other places, there for you have to come down to the most common denominator. The common denominator here is what can be said in a somewhat believable manner, at the same time being as antogonistic as possible. If this is what you consider true debate, then you have been watching too much Jerry Springer.

Can you really balme me for getting confused?
I can't balme you for anything and I won't blame you either. ;)

#71 Aug 06 2004 at 11:32 AM Rating: Default
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But the liberals don't think diplomacy is the right action because Bush is trying to make it work.


No, because Bush failed miserably at it.

Trying isn't good enough when we're talking about nuclear weapons that will be a real therat to the US in a few years.
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#72 Aug 06 2004 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
So are you saying we should go into Iran and take out their ability to produce nukes as well? Or should we use diplomacy first?
#73 Aug 06 2004 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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Stok wrote:
Bush was a drunk, and probably a coke head. He has lived a life of privilege and took advantage of daddy's position to get into the National Guard. He has not successfully run any company that he has been in control of. He does wear his Christian values on his sleeve that upsets people around the world. He is arrogant and often blunders the English language when he speaks.


Lets not forget:

-Ignored intelligence and warnings and allowed 9/11 to happen
-Broke international law
-Started an unjust war for false reasons that killed 10,000 people (more than Kerry im sure :P)
-went out of his way not to listen to intelligence that was disproving IRAQ WMD and then when there were no WMD blames bad intelligence
-fumbled the mid east peace process
-started 2 wars
-used power and position to classify all those embarrassing DUI records and seal all his records while in office as Govenor of Texas
-repealed the Estate tax saying that i would help the working man when in fact 90+% of all tax revenue generated by Estate tax is from millionaires
-even after recent upswing in economy (finally after 4 years) we are still down a million jobs


could go on and on. But as you say Kerry doesnt represent your values and beliefs, that i can dig. But you really should dig deeper than the surface and see if Bush does to. Maybe neither is the man for the job.



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#74 Aug 06 2004 at 11:55 AM Rating: Default
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So are you saying we should go into Iran and take out their ability to produce nukes as well?


Absolutely.

IF we had better intel on Pakistan we should have then too.

There's no reason not to take the hardest possible line against nuclear proliferation unless it's being supported directly by another nuclear power and there is strategic danger.

I'd take out Iran's capabilities tommorw.
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#75 Aug 07 2004 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Fighting in Iraq was not the smartest move now that hindsight is 20/20.




Imagine the disgust of those Tens of Millions of us who were saying that BEFORE the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq?


George Bush DOESN'T listen to people who don't tell him what he wants to hear.

In that regard he is a SHINING example of his constituents.
#76 Aug 07 2004 at 1:31 AM Rating: Decent
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George Bush DOESN'T listen to people who don't tell him what he wants to hear.


All I hope is that he gets remembered more for the choking-on-a-pretzel incident.
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