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#27 Aug 06 2004 at 9:10 AM Rating: Default
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War record in serious question

Any elitist can afford to buy their grades...i.e. what you guys have accused Bush of.

Now comes the funny part smarter and more well spoken...bestill my beating heart I didn't realize he'd done so much with his life. He knows how to speak well.

Bush...freed millions of afgans and iraqis...liberated 2 countries...instituted a tax cut...Kept this country together and strong while the center for economic activity in this country was being attacked.

Again I ask what Kerrys accomplished?

Varus


He accomplished the fact the you're not voting for him.

I win, QED.
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#28 Aug 06 2004 at 9:19 AM Rating: Default
Imagine that Smashed not being able to actually list something Kerry's accomplished. Come on man we're waiting I mean for someone with your extensive knowledge and insight into the workings of dc, not to mention your wife surely you can come up with something better than he speaks well.

Varus

Edited, Fri Aug 6 10:21:35 2004 by varrussword
#29 Aug 06 2004 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
This is what Kerry has accomplished:

He has tried to weaken the military by cutting or eliminating essential weapons systems like the F-15 and F-16 fighter jets, the B-1 and B-2 bombers, the Apache helicopter, the M-1 tank, the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, the Patriot anti-missile missile, and the Bradley fighting vehicle, among others.

He suggested cutting the intelligence budget by $1.5 billion in the five years prior to 9/11 and that came two years after the terrorists' first attack on the World Trade Center.

#30 Aug 06 2004 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Stok wrote:
This is what Kerry has accomplished:

He has tried to weaken the military by cutting or eliminating essential weapons systems like the F-15 and F-16 fighter jets, the B-1 and B-2 bombers, the Apache helicopter, the M-1 tank, the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, the Patriot anti-missile missile, and the Bradley fighting vehicle, among others.

He suggested cutting the intelligence budget by $1.5 billion in the five years prior to 9/11 and that came two years after the terrorists' first attack on the World Trade Center.

I won'r deal with the first issue, as because, honestly, I don't have much knowledge on it.

He also suggested cutting through the beauracracy, which is what 95% of the NSA, CIA, etc are. If that happened, the budget could be cut even more than $1.5 billion and still function more effectively than it does today
#31 Aug 06 2004 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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Bush should have clearly paid more attention to the issue. I'd argue that we absolutely should have bombed the reactor in Yongbyron.

Posturing as a tough guy nation that won't stand for proliferation of WMD and then essentially simply ALLOWING north Korea to go Nuclear was a massive policy failing.


And what would Kerry have done?

He'd flip - flop.

WP

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Kerry said he would immediately begin bilateral negotiations with North Korea -- a goal the Pyongyang government has long sought. But, perhaps in a nod to the sensitivities of the Japanese, the South Koreans and the Chinese, he said he would not abandon the six-nation talks.

"I would keep them both going," Kerry said. "I would do the six-party [talks], but I would engage in bilateral discussions."


#32 Aug 06 2004 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Kerry...

He had the balls to come back from combat and testify before Congress and help ACCOPMLISH the ending of an unjustifiabe conflict (Lord knows what cocaine dealer Bush was helping finance during this).

He joined the District Attorney's office and by all accounts did an excellent job as prosocuter (of drug users like Bush) and helped professionalize and re-organize the DA's office.

He then spent some number of years as a distinguished Senator (while Bush was playing fantasy baseball owner with Daddy's money).

Varrus, Did you ever answer my question about exactly who is going to pay for the Bush tax cuts?

Try to THINK as I reiterate (ask again)...

If the tax cuts become permanent, and we keep spending, who does the burden of the debt fall on?

The answer (BTW) is: It falls on those that did not benefit from the tax cuts - the middle and lower-middle class.

Great accomplishment for Bush - shift the burden of his spending away from his rich buddies.
#33 Aug 06 2004 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Also did you hear kerry's attorneys and the dnc are preparing to sue the tv stations if they run any of the swifty adds. Can we say freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech doesn't apply to slander and libel.
#34 Aug 06 2004 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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And what would Kerry have done?

He'd flip - flop.


How is that a flip flop, Varus? Edit: Sorry, I mean Stok. It's hard to tell the posts apart.

By the way, good job planning out an issue to plant a pointless false attack implication of Kerry not being consistent on an issue.

You've offically earned Varrus status as only worth responding to as a joke.

Good going.

Edited, Fri Aug 6 10:49:39 2004 by Smasharoo
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#35 Aug 06 2004 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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...and then essentially simply ALLOWING north Korea to go Nuclear was a massive policy failing.


Whoa. Wait a minute Smasharoo!

Bill Clinton should have destroyed that facility.

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"We actually drew up plans to attack North Korea and to destroy their reactors and we told them we would attack unless they ended their nuclear program..."
- Bill Clinton

During the early Clinton years, hard-liners and conservatives advocated a pre-emptive strike to halt North Korea's nuclear weapons development before it could field an atomic bomb. Instead of taking the hard line, President Clinton elected to rely on former President Jimmy Carter.

He asked Jimmy Carter to meet with Kim Jong-il and he came back saying North Korea had agreed to stop nuclear weapons development.

With stipulations that North Korea receive hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, food, and oil.

What did NK do? They starved the NK people while using the American money to build uranium bombs.

But it is GWB's fault. Ok I got you.
#36 Aug 06 2004 at 9:52 AM Rating: Default
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They didn't have weapons grade material when Clinton was office, it was an entirely diffrent situation.

I think FDR should have stopped them. Let's blame it on any Democrat we can when a Republican President fails miserably.

You're pathetic.
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#37 Aug 06 2004 at 9:54 AM Rating: Default
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You pick an issue and then have no intrest in debating it.

Why do you bother?

Facts don't matter to you, clearly, just partisan drivel. Why bother arguing.

As I've said before if you're going to take lies as truth because they fit what you'd like to be true this is pointless.

What a fuc[b][/b]king waste. I almost actually belived you for a second when you said that you actually wanted to pick the best man for the job.

I should have obviously known better and now I do.

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#38 Aug 06 2004 at 10:01 AM Rating: Default
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Varrus, Did you ever answer my question about exactly who is going to pay for the Bush tax cuts?


This is a prime example of the extensive brainwashing that our society has been diseased with. When you create tax cuts no ones paying for anything in fact people that actually pay the taxes are just not paying as much. So what exactly do you mean who's going to pay for the Bush tax cuts? Maybe if you actually paid taxes you'd know this.

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Freedom of speech doesn't apply to slander and libel.


The same doesn't hold true for politicians...hence the attacks you see by both sides. This is all assuming that the information the swiftys are putting forth is a lie, which could easily be cleared up if Kerry would release the detailed medical reports of his so called injuries.


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#39 Aug 06 2004 at 10:03 AM Rating: Default
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The same doesn't hold true for politicians...hence the attacks you see by both sides. This is all assuming that the information the swiftys are putting forth is a lie, which could easily be cleared up if Kerry would release the detailed medical reports of his so called injuries.


IT does hold true if it's a lie, which it is. Kerry released the rocrds MONTHS ago.

They're on his web site, go have a look.
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#40 Aug 06 2004 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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varrussword wrote:

The same doesn't hold true for politicians...hence the attacks you see by both sides. This is all assuming that the information the swiftys are putting forth is a lie, which could easily be cleared up if Kerry would release the detailed medical reports of his so called injuries.
Varus

Playing to the pied piper's demands is never a really pertinant thing to do for someone running for a leadership position
#41 Aug 06 2004 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
Oh, come on Smash. Every problem and situation that we currently face in this world has been because of bad Bush. The world was fu[/i]cked up before Bush came in office, it was going to be fu[i]cked up regardless of whether Bush or Gore was in office on 9/11 2001. The North Koreans launched a missile over Japan in 1998, what do you think they where going to use as munitions kupi dolls?

Get with it and defend how Kerry supports having one on one discussions with a Kim Jung-il and at the same time thinks he can appease the other nations in that region that have a direct interest in the situation. This is one that the US needs to play a major role in but so does SK, Japan and China.

Should Bush have gone in and bombed the Nuke Reactors? IMO no, because then we would have 1 million NK soldiers dancing in Seoul and they would be burying Kim Il Sung in the capital as he promised his father Kim Il Sung he would. Especially now that Kim Jung-il and North Korea has been labelled a member of the Axis of Evil. Could Clinton have gone in and done it with out risking all out war, highly unlikely. But Clinton would have had a better chance in saving world opinion had he done so.

Had to fix a typo or two.

Edited, Fri Aug 6 11:07:15 2004 by Stok
#42 Aug 06 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Default
I've been to his site and havn't found any proof of his so called injuries. I did however see something were he scratched himself then nominated himself for the purple heart, something no swifty had ever done.

Varus
#43 Aug 06 2004 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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By the way when Kerry came back from vietnam he admitted to the senate that he had seen and participated in acts in violation of the geneva convention. I mean considering they're about to try and convict that b*tch who took the leash pictures in iraq about 30yrs. So shouldn't we be looking into why he wasn't prosecuted as a war criminal?


It's because we live in an age where the digital media knows no boundaries. If Yahoo splattered pics of Kerry in the small village off the river, it would be different.
#44 Aug 06 2004 at 10:15 AM Rating: Default
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Oh, come on Smash. Every problem and situation that we currently face in this world has been because of bad Bush. The world was ****** up before Bush came in office, it was going to be ****** up regardless of whether Bush or Gore was in office on 9/11 2001. The North Koreans launched a missile over Japan in 1998, what do you think they where going to use as munitions kupi dolls?


The question is how fu[/b]cked up it is on November 2, 2004, Stok. Or are we voting for Bush Sr. or Clinton again? Refresh my memory you pathetic partisan hack tool of the right wing media machine not bright enough to come to your own conclusions.

I think there's a drastic diffrence between a missle and a nuclear device. If you see them as one in the same, that speaks more of your ignorance than anything else.

Can't help you with that, sorry.


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Get with it and defend how Kerry supports having one on one discussions with a Kim Jung-il and at the same time thinks he can appease the other nations in that region that have a direct interest in the situation. This is one that the US needs to play a major role in but so does SK, Japan and China.


Explain to me how the two sets of talks couldn't happen concurrently.

Run off to the RNC site or whereever it is that get these spurrious, pointless, objections to Kerry actually thinking an issue through and let me know what the objection is.


Should Bush have gone in and bombed the Nuke Reactors? IMO no, because then we would have 1 million NK soldiers dancing in Seoul and they would be burying Kim Il Sung in the capital as he promised his father Kim Il Sung he would.


Well, I guess we just have to let them do whatever they want then, as clearly they'll just invade Soel risking the complete destruction of their nation as a result.

Golly, you'd think we would have thought of something to prevent them from invading Soel by now.

Does Laura send them cookies or something that I'm unaware of to hinder them from invading? I mean, surely now that they have nuclear weapons they'll be much more fuc[/b]king hesitant to invade because they know that they now have a real strategic deterrent against a paper tiger who moves their troops out of harms way.


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Especially now that Kim Jung-il and North Korea has been labelled a member of the Axis of Evil. Could Clinton have gone in and done it with out risking all out war, highly unlikely. But Clinton would have had a better chance in saving world opinion had he done so.


Risking all out war was well worth it to avoid putting the means to kill litterally millions of people in a minute in the hands of a lunatic.

Bush knew they were generating weapons grade material and sat there and did nothing. Clinton brouhgt in inspectors as a part of the Agreed Framework and was de-incenting nuclear weapons development untill Bush came into office.

Learn the issue if you're going to debate it.

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#45 Aug 06 2004 at 10:18 AM Rating: Default
It really is amazing how easily it is to get caught in a web of deceit. Kerry thought he was doing what was popular after he got himself discharged with paper cut purple heart injuries goes before the senate and decries what he had done and witnessed then throws away his medals. Flash forward to the 2004 election now Kerry is trying to ride those unearned medals that he tossed back then to the presidency. And when confronted with that info he waffles around like any good democrat...does the phrase "i didn't inhale" ring a bell, or how about we redefine what the word it means.

Varus
#46 Aug 06 2004 at 10:20 AM Rating: Default
Again Smashed

WHAT HAS KERRY ACCOMPLISHED?

Varus
#47 Aug 06 2004 at 10:20 AM Rating: Default
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t really is amazing how easily it is to get caught in a web of deceit. Kerry thought he was doing what was popular after he got himself discharged with paper cut purple heart injuries goes before the senate and decries what he had done and witnessed then throws away his medals. Flash forward to the 2004 election now Kerry is trying to ride those unearned medals that he tossed back then to the presidency. And when confronted with that info he waffles around like any good democrat...does the phrase "i didn't inhale" ring a bell, or how about we redefine what the word it means.


Yeah, it's going to be really amazing when he gives his first and second inaugural adresses, huh.

I can't wait.
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#48 Aug 06 2004 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Again Smashed

WHAT HAS KERRY ACCOMPLISHED?

Varus


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Kerry...

He had the balls to come back from combat and testify before Congress and help ACCOPMLISH the ending of an unjustifiabe conflict (Lord knows what cocaine dealer Bush was helping finance during this).

He joined the District Attorney's office and by all accounts did an excellent job as prosocuter (of drug users like Bush) and helped professionalize and re-organize the DA's office.

He then spent some number of years as a distinguished Senator (while Bush was playing fantasy baseball owner with Daddy's money).

Varrus, Did you ever answer my question about exactly who is going to pay for the Bush tax cuts?

Try to THINK as I reiterate (ask again)...

If the tax cuts become permanent, and we keep spending, who does the burden of the debt fall on?

The answer (BTW) is: It falls on those that did not benefit from the tax cuts - the middle and lower-middle class.

Great accomplishment for Bush - shift the burden of his spending away from his rich buddies.
#49 Aug 06 2004 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
double post

Edited, Fri Aug 6 11:30:57 2004 by Gadin
#50 Aug 06 2004 at 10:30 AM Rating: Default
Clintons approach to North Korea

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Evidence that North Korea was violating the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty surfaced within weeks of Clinton's first inauguration. After a year of inaction allowed Pyongyang to create at least one nuclear weapon, the emboldened Stalinists announced their formal withdrawal from the treaty. It seemed North Korean officials were angling for a payoff. They must have realized they struck the jackpot when Clinton named tough-as-nails Jimmy Carter as his principal negotiator.

Under the final terms of the Agreed Framework approved in October of 1994, Clinton agreed to provide the "Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea" (DPRK) with two light water nuclear reactors and a massive allotment of oil. The U.S. agreed to ship 500,000 metric tons of oil annually in response to the North's pretense that the energy-starved backwater had developed the nuclear facility to generate power. These shipments have cost taxpayers more than $800 million to date - a bargain compared with the $6 billion spent on constructing the nuclear reactors, which now empower North Korea to produce 100 nuclear bombs each year.


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The attempt to blame the current state of affairs on Bush's "axis of evil" speech is cowardly blame-shifting of the worst sort. It is holding the solution responsible for the problem. Clinton's coddling of dictators with a yearning for Weapons of Mass Destruction got us here. But North Korea is only one bloom from the seeds planted during his tenure as Commander-in-Chief, when he forged what one critic called an "astonishing reversal of nine previous U.S. administrations" and their refusal to negotiate with terrorists


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5368

Yeah Bush is handling Korea the wrong way though.

Varus







#51 Aug 06 2004 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
What do you want Smash? Do you want to only concentrate on the last 4 years for deciding who to vote for? The history of these men and the history of world events do not matter? YOU have a very partisan view of the issues, I'm willing to look at both sides, right now I'm taking the rights side and just waiting for you to pony up.

The last 4 years have been **** for this country, though we are in the strongest economic growth in 20 years, we are gaining jobs back after the losses suffered from Enron, MCI, the Dot Com bust etc..., all of which took years to get to that point before they all went belly up.

Fighting in Iraq was not the smartest move now that hindsight is 20/20. Yet the Iraqi people have a new government and new hope. Was it right to go to Iraq? yes. Where the reasons given the right reasons? No.

But again let's just focus on the last 4 years and forget about both GWB and JFK's history up to that point.

Sorry can't do that. Especially when the future of not only our country but the world depends on which of these two men are elected into office.

Bush has his faults and so does Kerry. I'm willing to accept the faults of a man that has made the same mistakes that countless of other men in our country have and realize he is human than to elect a social elitist who would rather sell out his country to the UN than to stand up and put terrorists in their place, which is 6 feet under.
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