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#1 Aug 05 2004 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good

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This is the advertisement being put out by the Swift boat veterans for the truth.

http://www.swiftvets.com

*Note* due to the recent reporting of the groups commercials there has been major activity on the site and their server might be down. I will post a transcript of the ad in a future edit to this post.

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Any Questions?
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John Edwards: "If you have any question about what John Kerry is made of, just spend 3 minutes with the men who served with him."

Al French: "I served with John Kerry."

Bob Elder: "I served with John Kerry."

George Elliott: "John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."

Al French: "He is lying about his record."

Louis Letson: "I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury."

Van O'Dell: "John Kerry lied to get his bronze star ... I know, I was there, I saw what happened."

Jack Chenoweth: "His account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day."

Admiral Hoffman: "John Kerry has not been honest."

Adrian Lonsdale: "And he lacks the capacity to lead."

Larry Thurlow: "When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry."

Bob Elder: "John Kerry is no war hero."

Grant Hibbard: "He betrayed all his shipmates ... he lied before the Senate."

Shelton White: "John Kerry betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam."

Joe Ponder: "He dishonored his country ... he most certainly did."

Bob Hildreth: "I served with John Kerry ...

Bob Hildreth (off-camera): John Kerry cannot be trusted."

Announcer: "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is responsible for the content of this advertisement

Edited, Thu Aug 5 21:15:32 2004 by Lordimsorry

This is from a thread started by pickleprince:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/08/05/politics1020EDT0544.DTL&type=printable

I'm doing my best to get all aspects of this "issue" in this initial post

Edited, Thu Aug 5 21:26:37 2004 by Lordimsorry

Another story about the contradictions between the veterans at the DNC convention and the SBVfT:

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200407%5CNAT20040714a.html

Finally an article from USAToday about Kerry's shipmates at the
DNC convention:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-07-28-kerry-crewmates_x.htm

Edited, Thu Aug 5 21:38:12 2004 by Lordimsorry

#2 Aug 05 2004 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent

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ohh ohh i gots info on kerry he disbanded a battalion in Nam and no one servived because he took their only jeep FOR HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!!! ! ! !! !!

#3 Aug 05 2004 at 8:23 PM Rating: Good

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He turned me into a Newt!!

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Swiftboat Veterans for Truth plays fast and loose with their description of "served with Kerry". The fact remains that nearly all the men who actually physically served under Kerry support him.

Several of the statments in the ad contridict what the same men said previously:

"I don't like what he said after the war," said Adrian Lonsdale, who commanded Kerry for three months in 1969. "But he was a good naval officer." -- LA Times, July 2004

A Los Angeles Times examination of Navy archives found that Hoffman praised Kerry's performance in cabled messages after several river skirmishes. -- LA Times, July 2004

Larry Thurlow claims that Kerry's claims about how he gained his Bronze Star are false, that there was no enemy fire and they were in no danger. Yet he didn't seem interested in setting the record straight in April's American History magazine when they wrote:

"...Kerry and the other wounded men received medical attention aboard a Coast Guard cutter, which was the closest ship capable of treating them. Along with a third Purple Heart for the injury to his right arm, Kerry was also awarded a Bronze Star for his bravery, as was Larry Thurlow..."

So then is Thurlow saying he didn't deserve his Bronze star either? They were both for the same incident.

I already quoted a CBS News report on the group itself, but here's a segment of it again:

But if you think this just a group of concerned veterans, think again. Some of the organizers have a track record of going after Democrats and Republican opponents of President Bush.
"We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be the commander in chief," said veteran John O'Neill.
That's the same John O'Neill who debated Kerry about Vietnam on "The Di[i]ck Cavett Show" in 1971. Back then he was handpicked by the Nixon administration to discredit Kerry.
The press conference was set up by the same people who tried to discredit John McCain when McCain faced George W. Bush for the Republican nomination in 2000.[/i]

Small wonder the White House won't condemn the ad.

Edited, Thu Aug 5 22:54:02 2004 by Jophiel

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#5 Aug 06 2004 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good

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Small wonder the White House won't condemn the ad.

That's because Perry is a big time Republican supporter from Texas. I wonder who Bush's wallet is tied to.

They should at least question the validity.

<---- Yeah. I wrote that.

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http://salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/08/06/mccain_on_swift_boat_veterans/index.html

Aug. 6, 2004 | "Dishonest and dishonorable" is how John McCain described the attack ad now appearing on television in several swing states, courtesy of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Dishonest because the men who appear in the ad make false claims about John Kerry's wartime conduct and decorations. Dishonorable because these men have waited three decades to publicize their slurs, with partisan motives, during a presidential campaign.

With his passionate denunciation of the swift boat commercial and its sponsors, McCain again displayed the dignity and self-respect that once elevated him above other politicians. Calling on President Bush to repudiate the ugly anti-Kerry ad, McCain took a step back from his awkward embrace of the Republican ticket last month. "I can't believe the president would pull such a cheap stunt," he told reporters, while acknowledging that he didn't know whether Bush strategists were involved.

What would McCain know about Vietnam, though. He clearly shot his own plane down and don't forget, he's crazy.

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Wow, for a second there, I thought Varus started this thread. :)

While I can't see trusting salon.com for my news info, I still think that this whole "did-he-or-didn't-he" thing about John Kerry's war record is stupid. I don't truly see the relevance of a person's military service 30+ years ago to their ability to serve as President now. People change, you know.

That goes for Bush and Kerry, BTW.

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While I can't see trusting salon.com for my news info,

Yeah, because they lie and misquote prominent politicians constantly, who then ignore it and take no action. Your mom drank a pint of whiskey day while carrying you, dindn't she?

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Let me ask one question though... Would you prefer to have a draft dodger, someone who goes awol or a war criminal as your president?

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Yeah, because they lie and misquote prominent politicians constantly, who then ignore it and take no action. Your mom drank a pint of whiskey day while carrying you, dindn't she?

Easy, Smash, easy. I was just picking fun at the name.

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Let me ask one question though... Would you prefer to have a draft dodger, someone who goes awol or a war criminal as your president?

A war criminal who's realized what was done was wrong as opposed to someone who would lie about his war crimes, or other crimes for that matter.

Clearly you'd rather have the ex felon who used his connections to avoid going to war and to avoid prosecution on multiple occasions.

the funniest part is that you wouldn't hire George Bush to work in your store if his name was George Wilson and you knew what you know about Bush's history.

But you'll vote for him for President.

Edited, Fri Aug 6 09:39:45 2004 by Smasharoo

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LOL! Good one your majesty!

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If? One of the candidates openly admits he has committed war crimes, and has not been punished for them, shouldn't he be? Is there a statute of limitations on murder at a national level?

I give respect to some one who admits to mistakes, however willingly committing atrocities against humankind lowers a bit of respect compared to someone who has had lets say a DUI or might have used cocaine. At least with the DUI he didn't kill someone or drown a date in the chappiquidik (sp?). And if he did do coke, would that explain his speacking blunders, to much time in the snow?

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If? One of the candidates openly admits he has committed war crimes, and has not been punished for them, shouldn't he be? Is there a statute of limitations on murder at a national level?

I give respect to some one who admits to mistakes, however willingly committing atrocities against humankind lowers a bit of respect compared to someone who has had lets say a DUI or might have used cocaine. At least with the DUI he didn't kill someone or drown a date in the chappiquidik (sp?). And if he did do coke, would that explain his speacking blunders, to much time in the snow?

You're pathetic.

If you can't smear Kerry enough with lies, move on to the next person on your list of Republican propaganda.

Stop wasting my fuc[b][/b]king time by even responding to posts about Kerry. You've nothing to add that Varus didn't cover allready. He does an excellent job of presenting your viewpoint.

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I'd hire you. Hell I'd even hire PP.

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Would you prefer to have a draft dodger, someone who goes awol or a war criminal as your president?

I assume that you are speaking of Bush and Kerry, respectively.

While I don't know the actual truth about either's war record, and don't care, I don't see how it is relevant to their ability to lead a country 30 years later.

And the terms "draft dodger" and "awol" imply cowardice and a fear to lead/take action, correct? Hasn't the biggest argument against Bush been that he has taken too much action? I'm confused.... :P

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A war criminal who's realized what was done was wrong as opposed to someone who would lie about his war crimes, or other crimes for that matter.

By the way when Kerry came back from vietnam he admitted to the senate that he had seen and participated in acts in violation of the geneva convention. I mean considering they're about to try and convict that b*tch who took the leash pictures in iraq about 30yrs. So shouldn't we be looking into why he wasn't prosecuted as a war criminal?

Also did you hear kerry's attorneys and the dnc are preparing to sue the tv stations if they run any of the swifty adds. Can we say freedom of speech.

Varus

Edited, Fri Aug 6 09:50:04 2004 by varrussword

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I'd hire you. Hell I'd even hire PP.

If posed with the two men, Kerry and Bush, to hire for a job running your store you'd hire Kerry 9 times out of 10. When posed with choice of them for President, you take Bush because it says "Republican" next to his name.

You're the wort kind of partisan robot. You may as will fill out absentee ballots from now untill you die with "Whoever the Republican is" penclied in.

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If posed with the two men, Kerry and Bush, to hire for a job running your store you'd hire Kerry 9 times out of 10.

Because he's accomplished what?

Varus

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Also did you hear kerry's attorneys and the dnc are preparing to sue the tv stations if they run any of the swifty adds. Can we say freedom of speech

Did you heard the RNC threatened to sue if commercials for F-9/11 ran after June 30?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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What? Truth hurts doesn't it?

Bush was a drunk, and probably a coke head. He has lived a life of privilege and took advantage of daddy's position to get into the National Guard. He has not successfully run any company that he has been in control of. He does wear his Christian values on his sleeve that upsets people around the world. He is arrogant and often blunders the English language when he speaks.

I'm aware of Bush's faults. Perosnally, if there where a better candidate that would best represent my values and beliefs then I would not support Bush.

Kerry does not represent my values and beliefs. He is the best candidate that the Democrats have since Lieberman and Gephardt where not nominated. There for I will pick apart Kerry on his service record and anything else that is available in main stream media, just as you do about Bush supposedly lying to go to war and the myriad of other twists and turns you can make against him. You can't handle the truth!

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Because he's accomplished what?

Distinguished war record, stellar academic record, not a fellon, more well spoken, smarter, let me know when you want me to stop.

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Lets pull one issue out of this entire election and debate that.

North Korea and nucular proliferation.

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Distinguished war record, stellar academic record, not a fellon, more well spoken, smarter, let me know when you want me to stop.

War record in serious question

Any elitist can afford to buy their grades...i.e. what you guys have accused Bush of.

Now comes the funny part smarter and more well spoken...bestill my beating heart I didn't realize he'd done so much with his life. He knows how to speak well.

Bush...freed millions of afgans and iraqis...liberated 2 countries...instituted a tax cut...Kept this country together and strong while the center for economic activity in this country was being attacked.

Again I ask what Kerrys accomplished?

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North Korea and nucular proliferation.

Bush should have clearly paid more attention to the issue. I'd argue that we absolutely should have bombed the reactor in Yongbyron.

Posturing as a tough guy nation that won't stand for proliferation of WMD and then essentially simply ALLOWING north Korea to go Nuclear was a massive policy failing.

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varrussword wrote:

Smashed wrote:

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Distinguished war record, stellar academic record, not a fellon, more well spoken, smarter, let me know when you want me to stop.

War record in serious question

Any elitist can afford to buy their grades...i.e. what you guys have accused Bush of.

Now comes the funny part smarter and more well spoken...bestill my beating heart I didn't realize he'd done so much with his life. He knows how to speak well.

Bush...freed millions of afgans and iraqis...liberated 2 countries...instituted a tax cut...Kept this country together and strong while the center for economic activity in this country was being attacked.

Again I ask what Kerrys accomplished?

Varus

Wow, so if I go create some fu[b][/b]ckup of a war, give money away, and don't cause a civil war, I'm a good president?

Edited, Fri Aug 6 10:10:19 2004 by Chtulhu

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