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#127 Jul 30 2004 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good

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The Republican Party embraces religious faith and to some degree or another incorporates it into policy, which can turn into law on occasion. The Democrats give faith and religion lip service, but don't let it affect their day-to-day political lives-- which causes problem for religious people. After all, religion doesn't do you much good unless you are willing to act on your faith. This is the dichotomy that these people are placed in: Feel free to believe, but just don't let it show any sign of imfluencing your daiy life or votes.

If you actually believe that ANY political party / leader makes decisions on the basis of firm christian beliefs then you, sir, are naive.

They are thinking in order:

will this get me re-elected?
will this get me campaign contributions?
will this get me re-elected?
will this get me a few $50,000 dollar junket from government contractors after I get kicked out of office?
will this get me blown by Monica (for all you Clinton fans)?
will this get me blown by Don "what we don't know" Rumsfeld ? (for all you Dubya fas out there)?

mayeb at the very end - will this get me blown by some Bible Belt hottie later ?

#128 Jul 30 2004 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent

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And you being the favorite child, he'll do just as you ask, Mr. Goldenboy. "Gimme candy, Alla!" "Oh, ok, Smashiewashie, here's a widdle piece of candywandy for my favorite poster!"

/rollseyes at this horrible display of cronyism

Admit it, Alla. Smash is really your lovechild from a brief fling with Ted Kennedy.

Dude, you are sooo green with envy that you can't claim to be black anymore.

#129 Jul 30 2004 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent

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It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so cloying and sticky sweet. I feel I need to go shower in scalding water after every time Alla does that baby talk thing when Smash does something new. Look! Look! Smashie took his first steps! Give him a new and special title! Look! Look! Smashie said his first word! He said "liberal!" I had hoped he would say "Alla-goo-goo" or something, but I'm still soooooo pleased with my widdle boy! I'm gonna give him a Ferrari when he turns 30!

Have I mentioned how cool it is to have a custom title and that little red text instead of a star?

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After all, religion doesn't do you much good unless you are willing to act on your faith.

And do everything you can to force your personal belief system on every citizen.

#131 Jul 30 2004 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent

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MDenham, you're gonna have to give me the Cliff's Notes version of that thread. My eyes glazed over after the second post and I didn't see Allakhazam giving Smash a new toy to play with anywhere in there.

Cronyism, only not involving any of the board admins. We just had a nice long karma-camp session and boosted up a couple of people's karma.

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The only person singled out for special treatment around here here by Alla and his merry band of twinkle toes is Smasharoo. That's life. We need to deal with it.

It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so cloying and sticky sweet. I feel I need to go shower in scalding water after every time Alla does that baby talk thing when Smash does something new. Look! Look! Smashie took his first steps! Give him a new and special title! Look! Look! Smashie said his first word! He said "liberal!" I had hoped he would say "Alla-goo-goo" or something, but I'm still soooooo pleased with my widdle boy! I'm gonna give him a Ferrari when he turns 30!

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#132 Jul 30 2004 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent

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After all, religion doesn't do you much good unless you are willing to act on your faith.

And do everything you can to force your personal belief system on every citizen.

KILL THE UNBELIEVER!

#133 Jul 30 2004 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent

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Look up this word and then come back and apologise.

Deist.

no apology - if I had run around the Mayflower saying they weren;t Christians they would have thrown me overboard - probably set me on fire too.

They may have forgiven me later - but I sure would have been making the fish a good four course meal.

#134 Jul 30 2004 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent

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The Republican Party embraces religious faith and to some degree or another incorporates it into policy, which can turn into law on occasion. The Democrats give faith and religion lip service, but don't let it affect their day-to-day political lives-- which causes problem for religious people.

What religion - Christian? - Jerry Falwell's minions?
Check out my favorite document (and maybe read it) - The United States Constitution.

It has this little thing called the First Amendment (possibly first due to the importance that it held with the authors).

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Just because I want to make clear that I will not shove MY beliefs down the throats of my constituents, does not make me conflicted, it makes me a defender of the Constitution.

#135 Jul 30 2004 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent

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No, actually I have no need for special treatment, but the way Alla has just fawned over Smash is simply...

...disgusting. There's no other word for it.

Mind you, I've met Smash in person and he's very funny in person just like he is on this board, so there's absolutely no animosity there. He's a good guy, and I'd buy him a beer any day. But the whole special treatment thing-- it's weird. I can only attribute it to Smash being the lovechild of Ted Kennedy and Alla, I'm telling ya. This isn't a diatribe against Smash, it's a plea for Alla to hide those obvious calf eyes he keeps making in his direction.

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And do everything you can to force your personal belief system on every citizen.

That's what evangelical means, baby.

Totem's mistake is that he confuses Evangelicial Christian belief with all spritual beleif.

It's not uncommon, the KKK does too.

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The Republican Party embraces religious faith and to some degree or another incorporates it into policy, which can turn into law on occasion. The Democrats give faith and religion lip service, but don't let it affect their day-to-day political lives-- which causes problem for religious people. After all, religion doesn't do you much good unless you are willing to act on your faith. This is the dichotomy that these people are placed in: Feel free to believe, but just don't let it show any sign of imfluencing your daiy life or votes.

This is bullsh[/i]it. Americans in general are fake-*** christians. Actually, christians are hypocritical by nature.

Bullsh[i]it, bullsh[/i]it, bullsh[i]it.

#138 Jul 30 2004 at 12:52 PM Rating: Default

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This isn't a diatribe against Smash, it's a plea for Alla to hide those obvious calf eyes he keeps making in his direction.

Or at least to spread the love a little, eh?

I should see if I can get the same kind of deal with Kaolian. Smiley: laugh

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#140 Jul 30 2004 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good

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As for all of you who are trying to make the case that having faith is strictly a personal and private thing are, once again, missing the point. Faith isn't about keeping it to one's self, it's about interacting with the world around you. And that world includes the political arena. disagree with it all you want, but then you are ignoring the very basis of religious faith-- just like the Democratic party has been to it's detriment for most of the past thirty years in presidential elections.

Look, Clinton spoke eloquently about his faith and even acted on it within the framework of his outspoken beliefs. Yes, acted on it, as in legislatively. However, he got into tremendous trouble with his religious base when he acted outside of his faith in regards to his affairs. If you can deny this, you are living in an alternate universe, people.

His ability to mingle an outspoken faith with politics was part of his appeal-- especially for the Democratic faithful, which I shall point out again, has a larger percentage of registered voters who consider themselves religious than the Republicans.

Am I getting through here?

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Look up this word and then come back and apologise.

Deist.

You are my ******* hero.

www.Deism.com

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no apology - if I had run around the Mayflower saying they weren;t Christians they would have thrown me overboard - probably set me on fire too.

They may have forgiven me later - but I sure would have been making the fish a good four course meal.

The Puritans did *not* form the US, they *colonized* it. The Forefathers built the Infrastructure of America, most of them were Deist, or Freethinkers.

Edited, Fri Jul 30 14:01:54 2004 by AriesGhost

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As for all of you who are trying to make the case that having faith is strictly a personal and private thing are, once again, missing the point. Faith isn't about keeping it to one's self, it's about interacting with the world around you. And that world includes the political arena. disagree with it all you want, but then you are ignoring the very basis of religious faith-- just like the Democratic party has been to it's detriment for most of the past thirty years in presidential elections.

Look, Clinton spoke eloquently about his faith and even acted on it within the framework of his outspoken beliefs. Yes, acted on it, as in legislatively. However, he got into tremendous trouble with his religious base when he acted outside of his faith in regards to his affairs. If you can deny this, you are living in
an alternate universe, people.

His ability to mingle an outspoken faith with politics was part of his appeal-- especially for the Democratic faithful, which I shall point out again, has a larger percentage of registered voters who consider themselves religious than the Republicans.

Am I getting through here?

You're not getting through because you're dead wrong.

It's not a matter of people not understanding you, it's just a matter of you being wrong. Carter, Clinton, Kerry, all men of faith.

Bush is man of relgiosity.

not the same thing.

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This is ********* Americans in general are fake-*** christians. Actually, christians are hypocritical by nature.

Excuse me but who isn't a hypocrite?

Christians are fully aware that they sin. As matter of fact they accept it.

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And Samsharoo's mistake is that he ignores that "religious people" consists of individuals who call themselves Christian or Jewish, regardless what that ends up meaning in daily life. To whitewash over this fact is the very problem the Democratic Party has had in retaining it's voting base when dealing with opponents who are vocal about their faith.

Hey, don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.

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Am I getting through here?

Yes ... I have no doubt that both parties have many faithful followers of many denominations who are deeply spiritual people.

I just have the definite belief that in order get votes any winning candidiate would be willing to take it up the a$$ on national televison from a 400lb mountain gorilla. Or show true faith to those who vote for that.

And if they didn't their campaign manager would ***** slap them into obedience.

Or they'll end up an also ran.

Big business mistrusts those who worship another god besides mammon - and who the heck do you think pays for their campaigns ?

edit: despite the sig - even I found those typos tooo awful.

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Earlier Smash mentioned "Country Club Republicans".

Well, I believe that the Republican party is full of Country Club Christians. People who are in the church because of status and because in the communities they live in to not be at least a little bit involved in church means career suicide.

Yeah, they have real faith, riiiighhhhttt...

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Earlier Smash mentioned "Country Club Republicans".

Well, I believe that the Republican party is full of Country Club Christians. People who are in the church because of status and because in the communities they live in to not be at least a little bit involved in church means career suicide.

Yeah, they have real faith, riiiighhhhttt...

They do have faith.

Faith in a whole bunch of things that have little, if anything, to do with religion.

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And let me add that "real" Christians should support socialist policies as they are following Jesus's example.

Republicans don't support these "socialist" programs. Therefore, these folks are not voting their convictions nor supporting a party that Jesus would approve of.

EOFS.

#149 Jul 30 2004 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent

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Jesus said alot of silly things. Something about giving up all your worldly possessions and traipse around like a dirty hippy spreading the word comes to mind.

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I don't think Jesus would support Nascar either.
Lots of Christians there.

Actually I take that back

Jesus supports Dale Jr.

For if on the 8th day God created beer...

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Yes, and Carter and Clinton both got a large number of what you call evangelicals to vote for them based on their outspoken views of their faith-- notably Christian faith, by the way. It's when these individuals did not act in harmony with their stated beliefs-- and Christian beliefs are quite explicit in terms of behavior and how faith means action, not introspection alone --that those voters turned on them either in the voting booth or in the polls, which in turn weakened their political power.

Let's face it, we're not talking about Hindus or Sanskritists here. The vast majority of religious voters in this country call themselves Christian, be that Catholic or Protestant. Jewish voters make up key blocks in certain geographical locations, but their relgious tenets are basically the same.

This is not rocket science here, folks.

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