Kerry delivers.Follow

In the ghetto. In the ghetto. In the ghetto.

Sorry, I broke in to an Elvis song there for a moment.

you may continue.

Yes, Pulseczar, I do believe it. Because it's true.

Whether it's morals (their morals somehow should ALWAYS be everyones morals -- Christian, Buddhist, Athiest... obviously we should all subscribe to the same morality... right?), tax policy (let's tax the middle class at a disporportionately higher amount so our rich friends still like us), or even foreign policy (so, we kill a couple thousand Iraqi's... we freed them from an evil dictator that did the exact same thing... and they have oil and stuff). It's always about them.

Read your own post. It's all about you. It's about how YOU overcame adversity to succeed. Great. I'm happy for you. Good job. I'd think you'd want to help make the road filled with less obstacles so that other's can go on to succeed.

See the difference between you and me isn't the big. I got to where I am through hard work as well. I grew up dirt poor. I couldn't go to college because my parents literally didn't have any money. I also spent my high school days working, not for a college fund, but so I could have my family live. I didn't have the opportunities that a lot of people had but I've still done okay for myself. However, I also realize that there are people, that get this, have it a lot worse than I did. And just because I travelled a road to get to where I am, doesn't mean that they'll be able to. Because a lot of life is luck. Hard work is important, but a lot of the time you're just in the right place at the right time and things click. What happens when you work hard but you've got no luck? You fall through the cracks.

I'm willing to contribute finacially to help make the road a bit less bumpy so a little less luck is needed for others to succeed. See, it's not always about me. Life isn't just about my life. It's about everyone's life. The world is bigger than my wallet. I realize that not everyone has the kind of structure in their lives to fall back on that I have (parents still together, a supportive family emotionally, ect) and that sometimes people need more help than you or I can give individually. Therefore, we help them as a society, through government or charity. I donate hours upon hours to charities, and I give money to them too. But I know that no matter how much time or money I give it would never be enough. Everyone's not going to do what I do and therefore you're going to need a bit of government to step in.

The biggest flaw in Republican arguments that I see is that they say that Democrats or Liberals want to give everyone their money. What they don't seem to grasp, or more importantly don't want to grasp for either political or greed reasons, is that it's not about giving people money. It's about lessing obstacles and helping to facilitate a fair opportunity to succeed. And some people will succeed, some people will try and fail, and some people will take advantage of the system. That doesn't mean you should stop trying to help lift everyone up instead of either ignoring the problem deliberately or working to destroy the middle class.

There are two Americas. It's not the have's and have nots. It's those with opportunity and those without. Maybe you're not as intelligent as the next guy or you grew up poor or you have a learning disability that you can't treat for financial reason or you run head long into the wall of rascism that still exists in this country (see varus -- see him hiring any arabic or black people if he's in charge?). There's as many reasons why people don't get a fair shake as their are stars in the sky. Sometimes you can overcome those things yourself and sometimes you need a hand. Asking for help, whether its from your family, a charity, or the government doesn't make your success less... it makes you more successful. Because, hopefully you'll see that there's more to this world that just you... than just your experiences... than just your success. Hopefully your sacrifices and your hard work let you understand that while it wasn't easy for you, that doesn't mean it should be as hard for the next person.

In the end, that's the difference between Democrats and Republicans, in general. I'm willing to look someone else in the eye that needs help and lend them a hand. You look right past them.

So, yeah, the mantra of "It's my money, I don't want to spend it on X" is really "I got mine, f*ck them". Let them eat cake. Take anti-depressants. Whatever. It's all the same.

Hey, you're entitled to your beliefs. But don't tell me that I shouldn't honestly believe what I see every day. What I know is true because I see and hear it.

Grady

Edited, Fri Jul 30 12:15:22 2004 by Grady

He's a politician. No one is perfect. But I made more money last year and payed less in taxes than they year before. A little deficit is a good thing. Maybe to balance the budget we can cut welfare and medicaid.


If you took a 10 year loan for $100k you'd make more money this year than last.

At the end of the ten years, though.

That's the bargain you're making here. Republicans have never cut spending in conjunction with cutting taxes. They just cut taxes untill the system almost reaches a breaking point and then they are forced to raise taxes as Bush Sr. had to as a result of Regeans tax cuts.

You're paying for my tax cut on an installment plan.

I'll think fondly of you next time I buy a car or something, I guess.

I'm convinced. I am voting for Kerry now.

EDIT: And I am also posessed at the moment. This particular demon is waiting for the apocalypse to come to free it from the chains of hell.

Edited, Fri Jul 30 12:16:32 2004 by MoebiusLord

********* you and everyone on this board are voting for me now. This thread has convinced me to run.

XytheX in 2004!!!

No worries, Moe! Just stay locked away in your bunker until the demon gets bored talking with the other voices in your head.

Start talkin' with Varus.

Tee-hee...for some reason that cracks me up.

This isn't "a little deficit".

If you believe the figures, this is a total failure to admit that the situation changed between when we were supposed to be running a surplus (last two years of Clinton's 2nd term + first 50-60 days of Bush 43 The Inept) and when the Offical Republican Slot Machine decided to go loose and pay out bigtime (which started taking real effect quite a bit afterwards).

The projected deficit over just the next five years is going to be roughly the same amount as what it was over the twenty years between JFK's election and Reagan's election (adjusted to current money).

That's not a little deficit, that's full-out "let's give out money" mode.

Hang on... you're saying that being Republican isn't a psychological problem, or that it is?

:->

Didn't Bush 43 The Inept prove just three and a half years ago you don't need to win the popular vote to win the election?

Very interesting discussion. I didn't watch the speech, but read the transcript at school. My vote is for Kerry, just because I hate Bush.

And btw, who the **** is rating Smash down in the Asylum??

I know Moe or Pickle would't rate Smash down, so I'm guessing Pulseczar or someone else who can't take a heated discussion.

My advice: go back to the FFXI where you belong.