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If you've paid attention, this is exactly what bothers me, too.
It's frigging ludicrous. The South turned Republican for the same damn reason.

People think by voting for the "Rich" that somehow that makes them better or might make them rich by osmosis.

IT AIN"T HAPPENING!!!!

Well, Moe, you certainly are a man of principles.

And a godda[/i]mned idiot.

[i]Edited, Fri Jul 30 11:38:04 2004 by pickleprince

You needed a political discussion to come to this conclusion?!? I moved from Napa, CA to Minnesota, then proceeded to have a family, ensuring that I will never move back. And you needed my views on social welfare? ;)

Yep, you got me there. It was obvious from the beginning. ;)

You needed a political discussion to come to this conclusion?!? I moved from Napa, CA to Minnesota, then proceeded to have a family, ensuring that I will never move back. And you needed my views on social welfare? ;)


Well, at least your vote is meaningless. If Kerry doesn't carry Minnesota he won't carry Massachussetts. It was in play a year ago, but now it's pretty much locked up for the Dems.

It's almost a neurosis.

These people feel that "they've WORKED SO HARD", that they've done something that is of sooo much worth that helping anyone else would negate that.

It's sort of a mix of self-importance and stingyness and a bit of one-upmanship. It's neurotic.

Like Gbaji who claims that he's done this, done that, and asks why should he give any of his "hard-earned" money to these lazy people he sees all day?

I got news for you people....everyone who wants to eat in this ******* country, works. And you aren't any better than anyone else...and your money isn't anymore hard-earned that anyone else's.

So quit your frigging self-matyrdom already.

I NEVER said I was better than anyone else. I am just saying generally most of the time people are able to pull themselves out of holes they have dug for themselves or others have dug for them... and when you work hard to pull yourself out you develop a sense of pride. Of course there are special cirmucumstances such as the disabled, psychological problems, etc. Which I and my fellow Repulican friends(locally) have sympathy for.

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Edited, Fri Jul 30 12:01:56 2004 by Pulseczar

The post office hasn't received any tax money since the 70's; it's a corporation run under the auspice of the government. That's why people get in a tizzy when the USPS reports being in the black, because it's not actually supposed to be making profit, but rather meeting its own expenses.

In reality, the USPS tries to plan things so they get into the black for a few years, coast into the red and then raise stamp rates to get back into the black so the can start over. Trying to run the USPS as a zero sum operation would be impossible.

At any rate, I fail to see what's "welfare" about it.

So you'll opt to not collect social security when you retire, correct?

And if I vote Democrat, aside from the apocalypse beginning that very day, my tax rate would increase to pay for more programs that I am on principle opposed to, instead of having my tax dollars contribute to the creation of jobs through investment


No Democrat is advocating increasing your tax rate unless you're making over $200k a year.

Bush created the new Medicare drug benefit at a cost of almost a trillion while cutting the highest marginal tax rates signfigantly. Coupled with the cut to the estate tax, and cuts in capital gains rates where do you think the money to fund it is going to come from?

Isn't that the very thing you voted for him to avoid?

In reality, the USPS tries to plan things so they get into the black for a few years, coast into the red and then raise stamp rates to get back into the black so the can start over. Trying to run the USPS as a zero sum operation would be impossible.


They have a good cycling team too.

But it's not just a matter of being responsible for one's own choices. The point is that in a lot of cases, there are no choices. That's what "equal opportunity" means. Yes, there is an existing lower class in place. The lower class does not have the available education, social/health care in place that the middle and upper classes do. Sure, there are those who can "rise above the ghetto" and make more for themselves, but those are the exception, not the rule. You'd have to be very lucky, very gifted and able to exploit the system to break out of the status quo. When the lower class has school systems that are underfunded, understaffed and eventually shut down instead of revamped/reformed, there isn't much for them to do. The oppressio has been there for so long it's hard to get out of. Sure there were mistakes made in the past - does that mean they shouldn't be helped now? You're resigning the people already on the bottom to a harder fight to the top than others who are a lot further up anyways. When a baby is born in the ghetto, without proper health care and education, is that his fault? The fault of the crackwhore who was raised in the same ghetto in the same fashion? Who do you blame? Go back a few generations and say "this group of people were repressed and and ended up living in forsaken, ever-declining communities, so ***** anyone who comes from there"? We have to break this trend. We need to take a proactive stance and work on raising the standard of living for our own people.

Wow. What time is it? I need to get back to work...

It's things like this that boggles most non-republican minds. The guy not only does not do what he says he will do, he often does the opposite, yet if we disagree we are mindless liberals. This is why the so many so called liberals on this board get hostile when we are told we don't know what we are talking about. It's insulting to be called an idiot be a percieved idiot.