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#1 Jul 27 2004 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
Alright I want it, please. I did a meager amount of reading by my fellow scholar's standards.. but here it is.

Laura Bush: Philanthropist because.... of waiving the flag of child literacy rates? I need the right wingers to tell me something credible about this woman please, that's all I care to see.

THK: Rich, but smart, b.itch that speaks her mind, has a lust for men with power, has about 8 honorary doctrates, and wants to..
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Were her husband elected president, Heinz Kerry says, she would woo the spouses of elected officials in Washington by holding regular get-togethers with all of them. She would meet with them in small groups of 12 to 20 at a time — and they, not she, would be the center of attention. "I'd listen to them, make them feel important," she says. "Women are interested in finding common ground."
-- Victoria Griffith

My ex, who left me for her doubts of me, once said to me. "I don't want to be a princess, I want to be a powerful Queen. And a powerful Queen isn't someone who is seen with her own views, her power can only be seen THROUGH the King. And a powerful force it is." - douche that left me.

Now, ya want a CURRENT first lady that waves the pink little flag in the sandbox, of which no one can openly criticize with teeth? Or do you want a woman who recognizes power, and wants to channel that to actually support HER views on what she thinks we need?

Please take it easy on me, I'm as fresh as a f.uckin daisy. And would SOMEBODY please tell me how to swear in an email, I swear ill use it CONSERVATIVELY.
#2 Jul 27 2004 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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See, I'm not thinking in terms of which will utalize their husbands power more effectively... I'm thinking of terms of which one will take less margaritas to talk them into giving me a hand-job.
#3 Jul 27 2004 at 8:48 PM Rating: Good
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Again, I don't see why people are making such a big deal about Heinz Kerry or Laura Bush...
#4 Jul 27 2004 at 8:52 PM Rating: Default
well I'm certainly not counting that as a response. smash, asshat, tstephens, pickle, totem, bhodi, gbaji?
#5 Jul 27 2004 at 9:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd have to agree with Lordimsorry on this one, I agree that yes these women will have an influence on their husbands if they win the election, but at the end of the day it's not them making the decisions. Either way, I'm not much on politics, so if I sound like I don't know what I'm talking about, then I most likely don't.
#6 Jul 28 2004 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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Now, ya want a CURRENT first lady that waves the pink little flag in the sandbox, of which no one can openly criticize with teeth? Or do you want a woman who recognizes power, and wants to channel that to actually support HER views on what she thinks we need?


You want a strong first lady that is not going to act as though she is the president. The first lady should be seen but not heard when it comes to policy making. We have had strong first ladies in the past, Hillary being the most recent. Laura wields power and advices the Bush on issues for sure, but she has probably not been asked to head the National Health Care drive.

Hope that helps.
#7 Jul 28 2004 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
Laura Bush has NOT been in the forefront the way Hillary was. Hillary took the job of First Lady above and beyond that of any predecessor in my lifetime.

As to whether Laura is capable of doing so; probably. Will it ever happen? No. She's married to a man who wears his beliefs on his shoulder. Those personal beliefs are typical right-wing. That means the First Lady stays in the background.

I'm still holding my breath for our first woman President. Then we'll get to see what the GOP thinks the role of the First Gentleman should be.

As to what *I* would prefer. I prefer a woman that speaks and supports her opinion. Hillary was so outspoken and worked so much towards her goals that the GOP has done what they can to set Laura Bush apart from that by making her stay in the background a lot more. A bad decision. A sexist decision. A decison I hope will not be repeated in the future.

Seriously, it's time that we buried the 'the woman's place is in the kitchen' attitude that still lingers in some men's minds in this country. And, of course, it's prevalent in right-wingers with the heaviest concentration being in the bible thumpers.

There are some who take me for a conservative because I don't like Kerry and I occasionally speak up for GWB instead of bashing him in every post I make. The truth is, I'm conservative on some issues, liberal on others. Many issues, I walk the middle of the road. No matter where my opinion lies in the political spectrum, it's still just that: my opinion. You're entitled to yours.
#8 Jul 28 2004 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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But who has the nicest ***?

That's all that counts...
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#9 Jul 28 2004 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
Laura Bush is a frigging Stepford Wife. The same type of vapid ***** that I grew up around in Alabama. She strikes me as completely fake. A perfect match for G. Bush.

I don't know a lot about Heinz-Kerry. I seen her be a bit brash, but I think that's a good thing.

#10 Jul 28 2004 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Pickle, where exactly did you live? Mobile, right? What part?
#11 Jul 28 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Pickle, where exactly did you live? Mobile, right? What part?


Mobile my ***...hell no.

I'm from the pretty part. I lived in Alexander City, Tallapoosa County about 45 minutes south of B'ham and about 40 minutes north of Montgomery and Auburn....Lake Martin area.
#12 Jul 28 2004 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
Kerry: KO in the 4th round.
#13 Jul 28 2004 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
Americans DO NOT elect the First Lady, this is an honorary title with no specific guidelines that I'm aware of as to how she is to conduct herself other than in support of her husband and the country's morals and values. Yes, some people look at the wife of the candidates, that is to better understand the man running for office. I'm not saying the First Lady needs to be barefoot, pregnant and chained to the stove. What I believe is that it is not her place to be making policy or heading commitees researching or influencing government policy,since she is not an elected government official. The same belief would be held if it was the First Gentleman instead of Lady.

Hillary was is not the only first ladie to be in the spot light. Eleanor Roosevelt was very active on social issues and speaking in public, I believe she even held press conferences.

If the First Lady is going to have a more prominent role in the White House then she should be an elected official or be made a member of the cabinet.
#14 Jul 28 2004 at 3:16 PM Rating: Default
Rebuttal to Stok..

I absolutely agree with your understanding of what lines a first lady should not cross. The same goes for what is given to her.

But it is a new era, and the significant other of a president should be accounted for in the decision process (albeit minut) in an election. The bar should be raised, and the scope of perception should be increased during an election process of such magnitude.

TStephens, absolutely.

Listen, I firmly believe that the most important aspect of a guiding position in any kind of democracy is the yin and yang of husband and wife.
No one possesses better influence of being a devil's advocate. NOT having that kind of balance and strain leads to presidents like we have now. I'll stop there.
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