What's Really Going on In IraqFollow

Finally some Americans doing something other than drop bombs in Iraq and steal their oil.

Actually we're at the letting the Iraqis create and run their own government phase and it's working imagine that.

Varus

I know. Who woulda thunk it? That a country in the middle east could actually create a stable Democratic government. Mindboggling.

Interesting...

A stable democracy? I don't know of any in the middle east. If you are refering to Israel, it is a Theocracy, not a Democracy. If it was a democracy, they would annex the west bank and gaza and allow the indigenious population to become citizens. But they can't do that because then they would have like 3 million Islamic voters... And they aren't gonna have that!

"Stable" - NOT!

Until Iraq has an election not over-run with violence, they are not a "stable democratic government" either.

Or yours for that matter...

So, you are claiming to be unbiased about the war in Iraq? I'd say that your hard line liberal stance in every post you've ever made on this forum kinda makes that hard to believe Smash.

I'm just making a pretty obvious correlary. Just because you don't like the shoes you're wearing doesn't mean you didn't still choose to put them on.

So, you are claiming to be unbiased about the war in Iraq? I'd say that your hard line liberal stance in every post you've ever made on this forum kinda makes that hard to believe Smash.


Well you know, Gbaji, a clear sign, Gbaji, that you're full of shi[/b]t in a particular post, Gbaji, is when you feel compelled, Gbaji, to refer to individual posters, Gbaji, by name, Gbaji.

It's as if you don't want any outside observes jumping in and pointing out the obvious gaping holes in your arguments, Gbaji.


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I'm just making a pretty obvious correlary. Just because you don't like the shoes you're wearing doesn't mean you didn't still choose to put them on.


My position on the war is pretty much identical to about dozen retired Republican Genreals. It's nowhere near the anti war lefts position.

You're completely full of shi[b][/b]t. Stop wasting my time. Surely you could be ************ to a picture of a 10 year old or rolling up a new Runequest character, or eating paste, or whatever the hell it is you do when you're not stalking me making an *** out of yourself.

bah i was getting ready to write a big long defense of mine and Smash's post when i realized it would be the almighty and impartial Gbaji who ******* and moans at every liberal thing Smash says, and upholds and stands by the virtue of republican party but if you say he leans to the right or has republican beliefs he will cry murder.

Until you admit your bias and have the balls to admit to what you are the same way Smash does your not worth my f'ucking time Gbaji.

I dont always agree with Smash but i know where he stands, and when he says something he stands by it. Gbaji, grow some f'ucking balls, i'll still disagree with you but maybe ill respect you



Edited, Tue Jul 27 18:18:52 2004 by bhodisattva

See thats my problem, Gbaji sits on his golden throne of objectivity that looks suprisingly like an elephant and passes judgment on Smash and others and when others mention that maybe, possibly Gbaji is leaning a little right he goes off on rant about he isnt on any side.

Im not bashing his point of view, im bashing his inability to admit that some/a majority of his views fall into the catergory of right wing politics.

I also wouldnt say its a liberal myth, i know a few conservatives that invoke objectivity and bias at every turn.

Edited, Tue Jul 27 18:31:59 2004 by bhodisattva

Smashed wrote



Well we're waiting for a retraction. This war has taken just over 1000 american lifes, I'd consider that a success considering we've been at war 1 year. Guerilla warfare is not a major factor considering the guerillas are being weeded out by the locals because the U.S. has been easing back it's presence and giving control over to iraqis, who have now become the target of these homicide bombers. And I seem to recall a throng of masses cheering and toppling saddams statue as our tanks rolled through Baghdad.

Does anyone else remember when all the liberal media was publishing the name of every u.s. soldier killed or wounded in combat? I do...by the way we havn't heard too much about that lately have we?

Fess up Smash the unbiased.

Varus

Smashed are you really that stupid?



Well we did free 50million iraqis from an evil dictator but lets put that aside for the moment. We created a foothold in the heart of the islamic world. By doing this God only knows how many tens perhaps hundreds of thousands of american lifes were saved by taking the fight to them, islamic terrorists. But you can't count the number of lives saved all that can be counted is those who have lost their life.

And I want you to tell an iraqi father who's been forced to watch his babygirl gang rapped by saddams henchmen that we had no reason to go in there. Better yet why don't you tell the 1000's dead americans parents they died for nothing.

My God we've freed a people from a maniac and you'd have thought we robbed fort knox listening to the unbiased Smashed.

Do you know how many americans died freeing us from great britain? Without UN support or approval no less. Or how about the casualties of the civil war or ww1 or ww2. Are you seriously comparing those wars loses to Iraq's?

Varus

Quite aside from the fact that this is not why we *said* we were going there in the first place, the argument is wrong prima facie. The situation for Americans all over the world is more dangerous now than it was 18 months ago by incalculable amounts.

Check out the travel advisories. We're basically being told to stay home for our own safety.

Huh? Look. I've never claimed I didn't have a bias. Of course I do. Everyone with an opinion, by definition, has a bias. What I have said (repeatedly), is that I don't copy my bias whole cloth from a single political party platform. Despite Smash's attempts to paint me as the ultra-right-wing Republican nutball, my actual positions on a number of issues are very moderate. I've listed them before in several threads. I'm pretty much split on many issues. I generally tend to agree with a liberal social policy, and a conservative economic and relations policy. That's my "bias" if you want to call it that.


What I argue against is hypocrisy and extremism. I get slamed and called a right-winger, not because I believe Bush to be the best thing since sliced bread (I don't), but merely because I *don't* slam Bush at every opportunity and I don't take the ultra-liberal position in every topic. That's all I'm really trying to do here. Smash professes to an extreme left wing position. He's incredibly biased to that side on *all* issues. Yet he automatically dismisses anyone who doesn't share his views as irrelevant and/or wrong purely because they are right-wing (or just *not* left-wing).


How nice it must be to live in a world where you can simply assume that anyone who doesn't share your exact views on everything is wrong purely because they don't agree with you. See. It's really simple.

1. Just label anything that you don't agree with "right wing".

2. Also label anything right wing as "evil", "wrong", self-centered", and whatever other bad things you want to say.

3. Any time anyone disagrees with you, they must be right-wing (since they disagree with you!). And since they are right-wing, they are obviously also wrong. Thereofore, you are always right!


Wow. Impeccable logic there. Yet that's exactly the logic Smash uses. I'm right, you disagree with me, therefore you are wrong.



I just found it amazingly silly for Smash, of all people here, to dismiss a source's information purely because the source had a bias. Wow. Pot, meet kettle!