Clinton's speech.Follow

Truth hurt? I don't see people asking for handouts, by and large. I do see people that want an opportunity to succeed no matter where they come from. What we have now are a few people that succeed despite their social standing and a whole lot of people that don't succeed because of their social standing, but not from lack of trying.

I'm tired of the GOP posters trying to put on a front like they give a **** about anyone else. They simply don't. They want to keep their money and everyone else be damned. They want to put their morals and values on everyone else and the individuals morals and values be damned. It's all *********

If you really cared about people you'd be asking yourself why corporate profits are up 87%, but wage increases are still under inflation. You'd ask yourself: what have we done to make our workers a liability instead of an asset? You might even wonder why a poor person's life is worth less than a privledged person. Or even, why is the middle class disappearing and wealth is being concentrated in the hands of a few?

But you won't bother asking those questions, or even answering them. That would require that you look in the mirror and face the reality that you're nothing more than a selfish prick that doesn't really want anyone else to succeed, or even have the opportunity to succeed. They might get in your way.

Grady

It's pretty easy to "lead" a country to the heights of economic prosperity when all you have to do is hold the tiller straight and let the good work that 12 years of correct thinking leadership put in place run its course.


I see. Phew. Glad we agree that Bush didn't "inherit" a ressesion from Clinton and that instead it was due to 12 years of Republican leadership.

Thanks for clarifying your position there.

I'm tired of the GOP posters trying to put on a front like they give a sh*t about anyone else. They simply don't. They want to keep their money and everyone else be damned.


No, it's worse than that.

The GOP posters loose money by vorting for the GOP candidates. What they are voting for is for them to get to keep their money when they become rich someday, which is of course more difficult the longer the GOP is in power.

It's tragic, really.

Smashed wrote:



I have an idea why don't I give all my money to you smash so you can determine how best to use it to help mankind. Commy socialist pigs enjoy spending other peoples money but when it comes to their own they are stingier than the grinch. I've got an idea why not let the person or business that makes the money determine how they want to spend it, imagine that.

Varus

Yeah, yeah. Pardoning one guy is equivilent to generating billions of dollars in debt.

Um, yes, he started a war unilaterally. I think it fairly unlikely that any of the other "coalition" "partners" would have invaded as a group without the US, don't you?

Word, and also the amount of pressure the U.S. put on its allies to force them to join the coalition of the willing.

Threats of cutting foreign aid, military support, raising tariffs, etc were all used. Now look at this list of the coalition and think how many of the countries outside of europe that could afford to be on the angry side of US foreign aid policy.

United Kingdom, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Netherlands,Iceland, Italy, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Albania, Macedonia, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, Croatia, Slovenia, Ukraine, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Philippines, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Solomon Islands, Mongolia, Palau, Tonga, United States of America, El Salvador, Colombia, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Australia, Kuwait, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda, Angola.

Also look at Canada who refused to join the coalition, Softwood lumber ban takes affect, mad cow ban on canadian beef extended, relations start to get shakey, US pays more attention to canadian legislation and threaten to tighten borders due to some possible canadian laws that were in the work, there was also ineffectual grumbling about US not helping canada if attack or terrorist attack was done upon canadian soil. The softwood and beef ban cost Canada billions.

Now think if your Afghanistan and you decide to disagree with the war and not join the coalition and US pull out troop and funding where are you? thats right F'ucked. Same for the majority of small name countries that joined in order for the US to pad and thicken the list of the coalition so they could say they had 50+ countries that agree with them.

Edit- Say whatever you want about Clinton and his personal life but his administration was pretty solid, economy was great. Some people will nitpick about small stuff or fall down and start attacking him for personal stuff like the fact that he is a horn dog, but the fact he is not the president who got everything thanks to daddy, that ruined every business he ran, that ruined the economy, that started an unjust war against international law, that started a unjust war that killed over 10k civilians, whose administration likes stripping americans of there rights in order to make them more secure, whose 1 trillion dollar tax cut went overwhelmingly to the rich, who suppresses scientists in government positions from speaking out in fear of losing there jobs.

I dunno as ive said before i rather have a president whose vice is a healthy love of getting a BJ or even one that throws like a girl than one that kills innocents, has the grammar of a mildly retarded man, and gives tax breaks and bows down to the corporate elite who also happen to be his friends and family.

Edited, Tue Jul 27 14:21:06 2004 by bhodisattva

Edited, Tue Jul 27 14:41:57 2004 by bhodisattva

Edited, Tue Jul 27 14:46:27 2004 by bhodisattva

Allakazam wrote:



You mean only the already brainwashed likely tuned into it. Face it only the radical left are really paying any attention to it. Dean, Gore, Barabara Boxer, Feinstein, and hitlary don't exactly engender themselves with the undecided independents. With the exception of people like me that enjoy watching those evil sob's weave their webs of deceit.

Varus

Ok, I'm over the "Hitlary" thing. I can think of 2 republicans that fit that comparison much better. One's of German ancestry and is president and the other one is Governor of my State whose father was a ****.

Fu[/i]ck you, fu[i]ck that, fu[i][/i]ck off.

Kthx.

Ok, I'm over the "Hitlary" thing. I can think of 2 republicans that fit that comparison much better. One's of German ancestry and is president and the other one is Governor of my State whose father was a ****.


Let's not forget the endearing pictures of Prescott Bush eating diner with Hitler and Eichman in '40.

Smash dont get cocky, by saying something along the lines of "bush would never get re-elected for 2nd term" your ensuring his victory.


Nah. I said Kerry would be the nominee when Dean was ahead in the polls by 30 points. That worked out fine.

Heh. I'd like to add something. I'm not nearly as concerned with who either potential president appoints to SCOTUS, as I am with who they'll appoint as the next Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.

I wish I had your confidence Smash, but I still think Bush rides the October capture of Bin Laden to a second term.

I wish I had your confidence Smash, but I still think Bush rides the October capture of Bin Laden to a second term.


Octeber Surprise II this time it's personal!

Nah, they don't have the balls. It'd be so transparant.