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#1 Jul 24 2004 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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George Bush believes strongly that the only information your children need about sex is that abstinence is 100% effective against preventing both pregnancy and STDs. He believes this so strongly that he has made it national policy, schools lose federal funds if they teach anything other than abstenance or mention condoms other than to relate that they are not 100% effective. This policy reaches beyond our borders and effects the rest of the world. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,710335,00.html

Essentially Bush refuses to allow American dollars to fund programs overseas that teach anything other than no sex until marriage as THE way to prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancies.

I think that it is unrealistic to expect all tenns to abstain until they are married. I think it is foolish not to provide our children with information that can save them from a lifetime of suffering. I think it is dangerous to the entire human race to think that AIDS is going to go away if we only wait until we are married to have sex.

Anyway I have more to say, but I'm having trouble focusing right now. So reply and I will get back to you.
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#2 Jul 24 2004 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it is dangerous to the entire human race to think that AIDS is going to go away if we only wait until we are married to have sex.


Well, it would if we could get everyone to get wait for marriage and not f'uck each other's wifes every opportunity we get. But considering the above two exceptions will virtually never happen, we need the sex ed.
#3 Jul 24 2004 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
I'm from Canada. Our sexual education has never included abstinance, and all the relationship talk they added had sex somewhere in the equation.

I heard about the U.K's new campaign to reduce teen pregnancy by encouraging kids to engage in oral sex as opposed to intercourse.

Hmmm...that's like inviting someone over for wings, but making them leave before the ribs.
#4 Jul 24 2004 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
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You realize that he's probably using this as a ploy to get the vote of the religious right? Correct me if I'm worng here, but sounds plausible.
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#5 Jul 24 2004 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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No, I think he genuinely believes it. This has been a part of his platform since he was elected govenor of Texas in 1995. (In that time Texas dropped to 49th in teen births in the nation, and is currently tied with Mississippi for last in the nation.)
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#6 Jul 24 2004 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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George Bush believes strongly that the only information your children need about sex is that abstinence is 100% effective against preventing both pregnancy and STDs.


Technically he's right you know........

Edit: It wasn't long ago that *parents* taught this class....

Edited, Sun Jul 25 00:36:37 2004 by AriesGhost
#7 Jul 25 2004 at 12:51 AM Rating: Good
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I would like to hear G.W. Bush's abstinence story so i would have a role model.

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Seeing as how he was born in 1946 and didnt marry Laura until 1977 he would have one hell of an abstinence tale all 31 years of it.

Edited, Sun Jul 25 02:00:54 2004 by bhodisattva
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#8 Jul 25 2004 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
I didn't say feasible, I said it's right. :P

Edit: And I don't mean "Right" in that morally ambiguous way either, I mean right as in 2+2=4.

Edited, Sun Jul 25 02:01:04 2004 by AriesGhost
#9 Jul 25 2004 at 1:07 AM Rating: Decent
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It wasn't long ago that *parents* taught this class
Yeah. The only problem is that many didn't teach it at all.
#10 Jul 25 2004 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
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Well true enough abstinence is one way to make sure 100% you dont get std or preggers, but its also a very impractical way of dealing with the situation.

By promoting the nigh unattainable goal of abstinence and neglecting other forms of sexual education the 99.99% of people that have premarital sex will be woefully uneducated about protection, sexual health, etc. This would probably lead to more disease, pregnant teens and all the things that he is trying to stop with the abstinence program.

Its like trying to put a grease fire out with water, hes just making the situation worse.

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#11 Jul 25 2004 at 1:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah. The only problem is that many didn't teach it at all.


I got lucky. ^^

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By promoting the nigh unattainable goal of abstinence and neglecting other forms of sexual education the 99.99% of people that have premarital sex will be woefully uneducated about protection, sexual health, etc. This would probably lead to more disease, pregnant teens and all the things that he is trying to stop with the abstinence program.


I completely agree. The problem is that this isn't really a school-type subject though. I don't think a setting full of your peers, experienced or otherwise, is really going to help students learn about the ins and outs of the bodys sexual side. I would really like to see this taken to a hospital and taught there, with AID/HIV patients helping to teach the class. Have a representative of each disease explaining what it does, what they could have done to prevent it, and the whole nine. I remember my "Sex-Ed" class (if it can be called that, it was sparse,) I remember the high school politics of the day playing a huge part in student behavior.

I don't remember learning much (most of it I knew anyway) but I do recall half the class seemed to think it was a joke. Every time '*****' or '******' was mentioned there was a general *snicker* and *Hand over mouth* laughter and smiles. Even if we do buff up on sex-ed in high school we still face the fact that most of this should be taught alot earlier than high school. We really should stop demonizing sex, it's not healthy to our society. I mean if we were more like europe this wouldn't even be an issue we would have to deal with.
#12 Jul 25 2004 at 2:01 AM Rating: Decent
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i dont know why bush doesnt tell the relgious right to go f*ck off. it isnt like they'd go and vote for kerry instead, so why does he have to cater to them?
#13 Jul 25 2004 at 2:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Every time '*****' or '******' was mentioned there was a general *snicker* and *Hand over mouth* laughter and smiles
Why is that? Because the kids are embarassed. They're embarassed because sexuality is not a comfortable topic of conversation in a puritan influenced society.

You'd think we would have shrugged off that particular yoke of guilt and shame decades ago.
#14 Jul 25 2004 at 3:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Why is that? Because the kids are embarassed. They're embarassed because sexuality is not a comfortable topic of conversation in a puritan influenced society.

You'd think we would have shrugged off that particular yoke of guilt and shame decades ago.


That's what I'm saying. :D
#15 Jul 25 2004 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
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Our sex education in England was mostly in the playground behind the bike-sheds. Yes we were taught the biological processes involved by teachers, and given the basics about STI's. There was also a message about mutual and respect somewhere in there.

I totally agree that promoting abstinence only has a place if it's tempered with a 'But if you do. . .' message.

If we really want to spook the Religious Right, try this article, also from the Observer. Smiley: grin
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#16 Jul 25 2004 at 6:37 AM Rating: Decent
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i dont know why bush doesnt tell the relgious right to go f*ck off. it isnt like they'd go and vote for kerry instead, so why does he have to cater to them?



Because Bush is part of the religious right. He's a true believer. He talks to god every day, and even worse, god talks back to him.

Which only goes one step further to prove my theory that stupidity and genuine religious zeal are inextricably linked.
#17 Jul 25 2004 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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Now [Bush] has triggered a row with British and other European Union governments by refusing to sign a United Nations declaration on children's rights - designed to set funding priorities across the Third World - unless pledges on sexual health services are scrapped.

Bush didn't listen to the U.N, so why should the U.N. listen to Bush?

#18 Jul 25 2004 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Nobby wrote:

If we really want to spook the Religious Right, try this article, also from the Observer. Smiley: grin


Texas has half the population and twice the number of teen births a year.

I wonder if the Texas State Board of Education has recieved a copy of this report?

Just wanted to add, the TSBE is in the process of choosing new Health textbooks this summer. Of the four that they are choosing from, two only mention condoms to say that they are not 100% effective, and one doesn't mention them at all and says that getting pleny of rest is an effective means of preventing STDs.

If you are thinking oh well too bad for Texas, think again. Because Texas buys 33% of the textbooks printed in the US, the large majority of them are written to meet Texas' standards. There is a good chance that your children could end up with one of these books.

Edited, Sun Jul 25 10:45:06 2004 by HeresJohnny
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#19 Jul 25 2004 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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HeresJohnny wrote:
No, I think he genuinely believes it. This has been a part of his platform since he was elected govenor of Texas in 1995. (In that time Texas dropped to 49th in teen births in the nation, and is currently tied with Mississippi for last in the nation.)

Don't you mean first in the nation? As in most teen births?

#20 Jul 25 2004 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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No I mean last in the nation. The winner in this catagory has the least births per 1000 teens. Currently that honor goes to Vermont.
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#21 Jul 25 2004 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
You really have to love a platform that includes anti birth control, anti abortion, and anti homosexuality. It sure is a good thing he supports the death penalty, that way we can clean up all of the unwanted kids who become violent criminals.
#22 Jul 25 2004 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
ahahhahh
one sided argument in the hope to push a young voter here to vote against bush.
the way you introduced the argument just set if off for me

back to the main topic which is (i am guessing) sexual education
Lets not fool ourselves at about 11-13 we all know the most pop sexual position and have experienced with ************* The only thing that schools can do is to prepare us for the next step(talk about contraception, std, blablablablaba).

Abstinence is number 1
If you want to have sex gohead but wear a ruber
parents should not be embarassed and they should start talking about sex

#23 Jul 25 2004 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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aleandro wrote:
ahahhahh
one sided argument in the hope to push a young voter here to vote against bush.
the way you introduced the argument just set if off for me

back to the main topic which is (i am guessing) sexual education
Lets not fool ourselves at about 11-13 we all know the most pop sexual position and have experienced with ************* The only thing that schools can do is to prepare us for the next step(talk about contraception, std, blablablablaba).

Abstinence is number 1
If you want to have sex gohead but wear a ruber
parents should not be embarassed and they should start talking about sex

Way to not even state your opinion on the topic at hand.

Or if you did, you hid it in a jumble of verbal diarrhea.

#24 Jul 25 2004 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Huangafu Quick Hands wrote:
You really have to love a platform that includes anti birth control, anti abortion, and anti homosexuality. It sure is a good thing he supports the death penalty, that way we can clean up all of the unwanted kids who become violent criminals.


Sad, but true.
#25 Jul 25 2004 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Just out of curiosity, where are getting your statistics from? I did a quick google search, which brought me to the CDC website, where it looks like Texas ranked as the state with the third highest rate of teen pregnancy. Washington, DC has the highest rate of teen pregnancy, followed by Michiga, followed by Texas. Vermont has the lowest rate of teen pregnancy, which is why they would be ranked first in the nation. The statistics are here. (It's a pdf file)

So, basically abstinence education is NOT working in Texas.

edit - NM, I read the post wrong - but here are the statistics nonetheless.

Edited, Sun Jul 25 17:42:03 2004 by kundalini
#26 Jul 25 2004 at 6:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Every time '*****' or '******' was mentioned there was a general *snicker* and *Hand over mouth* laughter and smiles


Why is that? Because the kids are embarassed. They're embarassed because sexuality is not a comfortable topic of conversation in a puritan influenced society.

You'd think we would have shrugged off that particular yoke of guilt and shame decades ago.


No, they laugh because it has been pounded into them so much in such a terrible fashion that it has since become a joke and not a serious issue.

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You realize that he's probably using this as a ploy to get the vote of the religious right? Correct me if I'm worng here, but sounds plausible.


And for god's sake, can anyone stand for something without having a "ploy" or a "hidden agenda". Believe it or not, that rare thing called integrity has not vanished yet.

EDIT: I'm not saying if Bush is right or wrong, I'm just asking for people to take what someone says as what they believe in once in a while.

Edited, Sun Jul 25 19:47:52 2004 by IceKnightRune
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