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#1 Jul 20 2004 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-killing18jul18,1,1755382.story

With all the talk about having a President that has had military service, do you think that having experienced killing people you don't even know is a good thing?

Do you think that soldiers can live normal lives after going to war?



Edited, Tue Jul 20 19:26:42 2004 by pickleprince
#2 Jul 20 2004 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
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do you think that having experienced killing people you don't even know is a good thing?


Better than killing people you know, I suppose. Well, in most cases.

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Do you think that soldiers can live normal lives after going to war?


What's normal? I don't beleive they can go back to their old life, because they change. Some handle it, some don't.

Edited for making my whole damn post a link.

Edited, Tue Jul 20 19:34:22 2004 by KakarSmakar
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#3 Jul 20 2004 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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#4 Jul 20 2004 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
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pickleprince wrote:
Do you think that soldiers can live normal lives after going to war?
Apart from KS's rational question about what's 'normal', I doubt it.

IMHO there's a difference between people who've only seen movies about war and those who've fought in the heat of battle.

Everyone I know who's had to kill or see friends killed is changed forever. The way they adapt to peace-time varies according to so many factors.

What I know is the first time you see a friend fall beside you, the world changes. If you go home a hero or you're perceived as a killer is as much down to society as it is to the inividual.

The classic example is the WWII veterans who were applauded and the Vietnam vets who were spat at.

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#5 Jul 20 2004 at 10:57 PM Rating: Decent
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What I know is the first time you see a friend fall beside you, the world changes.


It changes back after the tenth or so.
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#6 Jul 20 2004 at 11:21 PM Rating: Decent
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It changes back after the tenth or so.


Except that by then you're bitter and hollow.
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Except that by then you're bitter and hollow.


Hey, there's a lot to be said for being bitter and hollow!

Chicks dig it.
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#8 Jul 20 2004 at 11:55 PM Rating: Decent
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#9 Jul 21 2004 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I personally think, that military service should be mandatory. I spent four years in the military, and I am a student of war. I love to read military history, and the various accounts of those who survived and those who didn't. I think my understanding, or at least study of it gives me a completely different perspective on those who have not studied it.

First off, those men and women who served during war time are heroes! You can't say they are killers. Yes, they had to kill. Sometimes you are only given two choices, to kill or to survive. These people put their lives on the line so we can continue to live free. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't have the freedoms we enjoy. It still irritates me at the way people treated our Vietnam Vets. It is also one of the reasons we lost. Morale will kill a soldier as surely as a bullet will. The lack of support from the home front is what killed more troops that bullets.

Yes, they may never completely recover from war. They may never completely work back into society. Our job as civilians, is to support those people and make their transition back into to society smoother. You may not support the war, but you damn well better support the troops! They are worth a hell of alot more than the rest of us!
#10 Jul 21 2004 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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You may not support the war, but you damn well better support the troops!


I totally agree with you. And I think that most people do support them, regardless of their stance on the war.
#11 Jul 21 2004 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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I wonder if this is how Poe got chicks.....


No, he just waited till they were dead. They didn't fight so much for him then.
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#12 Jul 21 2004 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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Chicks dig it? Sweet I'm set for life. I wonder if this is how Poe got chicks.....


Are you referring to Edgar Allan Poe? Because his first fiancee ditched him for another man...

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#13 Jul 21 2004 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
pickleprince wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-killing18jul18,1,1755382.story

Do you think that soldiers can live normal lives after going to war?

Edited, Tue Jul 20 19:26:42 2004 by pickleprince


Yes they can, some back ground.

My father was an infantry solider in Korea then in the Special Forces for several tours in Vietnam. He carried a rifle in Korea and Vietnam, spent most of his time in the feild in combat. The fact is he killed a LOT of people during those conflicts.

Did he have trouble adjusting to non-combat life? Sure, but he made the adjustment and lived happily ever after. He's still with the same wife and loves her dearly, has six kids (3rd son is the best IMHO :) ) and retired from two 20+ year careers. One in the army and the other from a missile defense firm, he’s now one of the driving forces behind reviving my parents neighborhood church. All in all the man’s still sharp at 73 and is in better shape than I.

The problem is that we as the public don’t get bombarded with images of men and women returning from combat and picking up their lives. We get hit with the image of people flaming out across the board, must make better TV or something. I’ve met some of my father’s war buddies, a bunch of normal old men who led exciting lives. Some have orderly lives, some don’t.

I’m not saying that no one fails at adjusting, only that blanket statements about the subject don’t hold up.

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#14 Jul 21 2004 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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#15 Jul 21 2004 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
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There I rated you up you pickle ******* freak....
Stop whining


As a military man myself I only care that you support me. After all I am fighting for your right to have your own opinion. So to tell you what I think your opinion is would be stupid. No one I know likes to kill people, but they are shooting at you and that tends to change your view about shooting back
#16 Jul 21 2004 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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As a military man myself I only care that you support me. After all I am fighting for your right to have your own opinion. So to tell you what I think your opinion is would be stupid. No one I know likes to kill people, but they are shooting at you and that tends to change your view about shooting back


Didja even read the article?
#17 Jul 21 2004 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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No. the link didn't work for me.

I just added my two cents about serving.
#18 Jul 21 2004 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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If I qualify as normal I can surmise that war didn't change me in some fundamental way. Nor did it alter my Dad's personality (Vietnam), Uncle Tom (Korea), my Uncles Paul, Bill, Ben, Sam, and Jim (WW2), or Grandpa (WW1). While combat can be a salient event in one's life, it doesn't ***** people's minds up, unlike what you are fed from Hollywood. Instead, I suspect that as we hype PTSD as a common occurance, soldiers fall prey to it, just as if you have a conversation with someone coming down with the flu you begin feeling sick shortly after. Psychosomatic symptoms.

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#19 Jul 21 2004 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Bwa-ha-ha-ha!!!
#20 Jul 21 2004 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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#21 Jul 21 2004 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
Did your Aunt Jemima serve in the WACKS(sp?) in the Phillipines?
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