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#1 Jul 19 2004 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
Anyone besides me watch this show? I think the choppers they make are pretty sweet.

Plus, it's always fun watching a dad and son yell at each other.
#2 Jul 19 2004 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Chopper suck and Harleys are gax. If you want something with speed, grace, and beauty, buy a Duc or a *** bike.

Now really, why spend 20-30k to paint three one foot long pieces of metal (the tank, the front fender, and the rear fender)? It doesn't make sense.

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#3 Jul 19 2004 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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It's not the bikes, it's the drama.

Plus, no one's even riding these bikes. They're just commissioned for promotional purposes.

#4 Jul 19 2004 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.chopperflop.com/

'Nuff said.

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#5 Jul 19 2004 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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I watch it every week. And true, some of them are straight promotional bikes, and probably never get ridden. Others do. And yes, watching them yell at each other is pretty damn funny.


To each their own Totem. Personally, I've always thought crotch rockets sucked the big one. I'm a chopper guy all the way.
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#6 Jul 19 2004 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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I've seen the show, so yeah, I guess it's entertaining. But when it comes to motorcycling style over substance just does not cut it. The first time you lay it down because your bike has no mobility or your forks fold in half will teach you that agility, speed, quickness, and stopping power trump visuals any day.

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#7 Jul 19 2004 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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As another VFR rider, I have to echo everything Totem's said in this thread. Any invention, especially one requiring some measure of engineering skill, should follow the age old dictum.... FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION. Choppers are nothing but loud eye candy. Some of them are pretty cool to look at, but they are no more worth riding than any other piece of art off a museum wall is.

Though its aimed squarely at Harley's this site (http://www.goingfaster.com/angst/main.htm ) does a wonderful job of showing why Harleys/Choppers and the people that defend them are so laughable.
#8 Jul 19 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd rather have american choppers:

http://directwhite.com/?c1=ppc&source=overture&kw=white-tooth

than british choppers:

http://www.dentalgentlecare.com/smoker%27s_picture.htm
#9 Jul 19 2004 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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I like the show for the metalcrafting and engineering apsect of it, but the constant yelling and ******** on that show can be a bit much some days.
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#10 Jul 19 2004 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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Found a picture of Pat, did ya, CM?

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#11 Jul 19 2004 at 6:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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I sure did!

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/90/90tpat.phtml
#12 Jul 19 2004 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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That certainly sounds like our favorite Englishman!

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#13 Jul 19 2004 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
www.kwqc.net/ psl/wheel.html

Me too!
#14 Jul 19 2004 at 6:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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More pats!

http://www.benatar.com/index2.htm
#15 Jul 19 2004 at 10:02 PM Rating: Good
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I like "Monster Garage" better. Yeah, it's silly, but I enjoy watching the finest mechanics and metal-workers team up to build something completely ridiculous.
#16 Jul 19 2004 at 10:14 PM Rating: Good
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Just picked up a guy a couple of hours ago who missed a corner on his choppered Harley. Barbed wire went through his thigh like a chain saw and now it looks like he'll be needing a peg leg.

I'm telling you, choppers are worthless to ride.

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#17 Jul 19 2004 at 10:19 PM Rating: Default
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I'm a chopper guy all the way.


Choppers are great untill you actually ride one for more than about 15 minutes.

That show is "Reality TV" at it's worst."

Bad actors straight from the worst kind of central casting.

Overbearing father!

Rebellious creative son!

Comic relief son!

Trusty loyal sidekicks!

The young adult boy coming of age!

I figure if ratings sag any more they'll just add three or four large breasted secraterises or something.
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#18 Jul 19 2004 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone besides me watch this show? I think the choppers they make are pretty sweet.

Plus, it's always fun watching a dad and son yell at each other.


if they stoped all the ******** and moaning all the time, that show would be as good as monster garage. they build some very sweet bikes and i really enjoy that. i enjoy the comments on how they created the idea, or over came a problem.

i hate the arguing and foul lang. can live without that.
#19 Jul 19 2004 at 10:46 PM Rating: Default
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if they stoped all the ******** and moaning all the time, that show would be as good as monster garage. they build some very sweet bikes and i really enjoy that.


They send for a frame, which are pretty much all identical. They send for a tank which is one of four or five varieties and then weld **** onto the bike.

It's about as difficult as gluing macaroni onto a coffee cup.

Wow, the guy knows how to weld. Amazing.

Monster Garage startis with a car and turns it into a lawnmower. No comparison.

Anyone with about 10 weeks training and the tools could do what the American Chopper guys do. Their bright idea was marketing, that's it.

Edited, Mon Jul 19 23:52:27 2004 by Smasharoo
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#20 Jul 20 2004 at 6:34 AM Rating: Decent
1, we've had the cruiser vs crotch rocket discussion before. you ride what you want and we will ride what we like Tot. No everyone wants to go 150mph all cramped up on a piece of *** junk.

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They send for a frame, which are pretty much all identical. They send for a tank which is one of four or five varieties and then weld sh*t onto the bike.

It's about as difficult as gluing macaroni onto a coffee cup.


Smash you have no ******* idea what the hell you are talking about. It takes a whole lot more than buying a frame that everyone else uses and welding **** to it. If that were the case everyone would be doing it and those bikes wouldnt sell for so much. Tell you what you build one and send me the pics of you working on it and the finished product then you can talk ****. Better yet when you fail miserably send me those pics.

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Choppers are great untill you actually ride one for more than about 15 minutes.


Have you ever ridden and chopper or crotch rocket? the choppers are infinitly more comfortable than crotch rockets. Sport tours arent so bad. And cruisers are the most comfortable ride out there. Now granted if your are riding a hard tail chopper then yes it can get a bit rough on the old cheeks but with the new seats they have out it isnt that bad. (also depends on what kinda road youre on.) Personally I would rather stretch out on a chopper and my butt get a little numb than ride around with my knees in my chest on a rice burner.
#21 Jul 20 2004 at 7:58 AM Rating: Default
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Smash you have no @#%^ing idea what the hell you are talking about. It takes a whole lot more than buying a frame that everyone else uses and welding sh*t to it. If that were the case everyone would be doing it and those bikes wouldnt sell for so much. Tell you what you build one and send me the pics of you working on it and the finished product then you can talk sh*t. Better yet when you fail miserably send me those pics.


Believe it or not, I can weld. There's no doubt in my mind I could fuc[/b]kin [b]ASSEMBLE a bike. Let's see, I'd need a screwdriver, and a malet and most importantly, of course, catalogs from the other companies who build the frame, tank, wheels, engine, seat, electrical system, well, everything actually.

I could build an Allahkazam bike. I'd just weld on a silver EQ logo, and have someone paint the gay marrige thread on the tank.



Have you ever ridden and chopper or crotch rocket? the choppers are infinitly more comfortable than crotch rockets.


You've clearly never ridden a chopper. I have.

You're thinking, more likely of a custom. Choppers are almost inherantly unstable and difficult to ride. Even people who love them are aware of the problems actually riding them.



Sport tours arent so bad. And cruisers are the most comfortable ride out there. Now granted if your are riding a hard tail chopper then yes it can get a bit rough on the old cheeks but with the new seats they have out it isnt that bad. (also depends on what kinda road youre on.) Personally I would rather stretch out on a chopper and my butt get a little numb than ride around with my knees in my chest on a rice burner.


I'll keep that in mind when I take a curve at 160 that you're going 8mph around developing sciatic nerve damage.

Have you ever watched the show?

Please explain to me what it is the kid does that takes any skill or creativity? Aside from welding random **** onto the bike, I haven't seen anything.
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#22 Jul 20 2004 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
On the last show they built the tank and the fenders from scratch. I dont think I have ever seen them just put stock tank and fenders on a bike. At a minimum they modify the stock stuff in some way. And again if its so easy do it. You could make a lot of money. I wont be holding my breath to see the new Smasharoo Choppers rolling down the highway.

#23 Jul 20 2004 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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The Snap-On Tool bike was pretty cool. They used ordinary hand tools (rachets, wrench) for a lot of the parts, and fit them together in a pretty cool way.

And I like the the father-son arguing, that's half the show's appeal.


Oh, and I couldn't give a crap about which type of bike is best, since I don't have plans to ride one any time soon.






Edited, Tue Jul 20 12:45:23 2004 by trickybeck
#24 Jul 20 2004 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I've watched American Chopper for some time, I really like the show. Have to say, though, that a lot of their work is just ordering pre-fab parts, welding some extra flair pieces on, then sending it out for paint. The drama is a bit overbearing as well. The two I really like on the show are Vinny - looks like a real straightforward, decent guy - and Justin, the painter from Da Vinci's. His paint jobs are real pretty.

That, and the fact that they're New Yorkers - Orange County, NY not OC, California - and right across the river from me is pretty cool. I'd like to stop by their shop sometime and say hi.

I had a dream about them a few weeks ago....I'd had this motorcycle for years that my dad gave me which I never rode, so I took it to OCC and Vinny helped me rebuild, tune and paint it up. Then I took it out for a ride, promptly slid and ruined one side, brought it back, fixed it up again, took out out and then slid and ruined the other side.
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#25 Jul 20 2004 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Have you ever ridden and chopper or crotch rocket? the choppers are infinitly more comfortable than crotch rockets. Sport tours arent so bad. And cruisers are the most comfortable ride out there.



That explains why you see so many cruisers in the Iron Butt Rallys.

Oh wait... you don't. You see dressers (mostly Honda Gold Wings and BMWs) and sport tourers (mostly Honda ST1100/1300s and BMWs).

Cruisers are perfectly comfortable until you actually go over the speed limit, at which point that stretched out wide open riding position turns you into a great big sail, requiring you to hold your self up by taking a death grip on the handlebars for the duration of your ride. Not much fun. The way they tend to lean the rider back, and the poor lower back support that most stock seats provide tend to cause back problems as well.

#26 Jul 20 2004 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
They send for a frame, which are pretty much all identical. They send for a tank which is one of four or five varieties and then weld sh*t onto the bike.

yes i agree they need more variaty in their frames, but they do enough inovative designes to make it interesting.

Anyone with about 10 weeks training and the tools could do what the American Chopper guys do. Their bright idea was marketing, that's it.

i highly doubt that. yes i have welded in the past, its not just the basic welding they are doing that makes things nice, its the other straight sheetmetal work that i enjoy also. take the liberty bike. now they did not use the face that was hand crafted, but that took some skill. that is not something someone with 10 weeks of training could do in any amount of time, let alone a few days.

to top it off to come up with the designe in the first place. the jet bike, the apache bike, liberty bike, all are extreemly unique in their designe. the last bike I-Robot only had a few things that were 'new' and i did not like that one as much as say the spidy bike from a few years back.

yes all the basic welding they do anyone with a little training could handle. heck with some practice i could do that basic stuff, but there is NO amount of training that could get me to be as creative in the overall designe of a bike as Jr. im just not that kind of person.

now you want me to creat a fight scene, or come of with an inovative way of doing a classical form? sure i can do that at the drop of a hat as that is one of the things i do and i do it extreemly well.

im not cutting you down in any way, but you do have to give credit were credit is due on jrs. tallent on creating some very nice bikes.

as for riding a chopper. no thanks, ill pass. i dont like the way they ride. very uncomfortable to sit on, and dont handle near as well as a cruiser. id also never own a crotch rocket for a simular reason. just not comfortable. i much prefer crusiors for my bikes. yeah i have riden all 3 'classic' styles of bike, and just feel much better behind a big cruiser.

been riding since i was about 9 or so. started on a little honda 50cc that was automatic. road dirk bikes for years, and graduated to streat bikes in the late 80s. been riding on and off since. longest stretch of riding came in the late 80s though the mid 90s as i only had a Yamaha Virago 500 for main means of transportation. took it on a few cross country trips. that was a blast of a bike.
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