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#77 Jul 15 2004 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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I do like to think my home counts its wealth in ways other than dollar bills. WE gave the world our music, our athletes, and Oprah. Who else can say that?


Take Oprah back. Please.
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#79 Jul 15 2004 at 8:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Take Oprah back. Please


Nope. We got rid of her years ago. She is your problem now.
#80 Jul 16 2004 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm disable and getting SSI disability. It's better then having to live on Temp. Cash Assistance from the State, but not by much.

My rent is below market for the area. The subdivided rowhouse is old and need alot of work the landord can't afford, but it's far better then what I could afford to rent in most of Baltimore.

I do know alot of people who are even less well off then I am. All of us are seeing cuts in State and Federal programs we depend on and worry constantly about budget cuts.

You can stop reading here as the rest of my post is a rant.

Insurance companies are not know to cover alot of the treatments that could help me try to hold a job. So I live in pain and struggle with getting just basic care under Medicaid.

Only reason I have internet access right now is I got my landlord addicted to EQ and he pays most of the bill. He also allows me to use his phone and does alot of the housework for me. I have close my EQ account when he could no longer afford it, so I can help pay for broadband.

Both of us would love to change our relationship, but we couldn't then afford even basic living expenses on just his income and still pay my medicial bills. Under his health insurance I've calucated my medicial bills would be over what I currently get with SSI each month. That's excluding the weekly therapy that my couselor is trying to have get the state to still cover. After spending so much time and effort in getting medicine that makes life bearable for me, losing my health care coverage under Medicaid is a constant worry for me.

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#81 Jul 16 2004 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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$80k a year, I only actually go in for work on mondays. I'm "On-call" 24/7 the rest of the time, but I've only been called in 3 times in the past 2 years. I work from noon to 5pm when I go in.

#82 Jul 16 2004 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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#83 Jul 16 2004 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I assume this holds true in areas other than housing.


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Of course it doesn't. Do you think they sell new cars in Missippi for $10k instead of $20k? Or that Walmart lowers prices on clothing, etc.?
How much of a car's cost is mark up and commission? Same with other products? Mark up makes up the bulk of the price. As far as I know, they have lower mark up percentages than in other parts of the country.

Housing is most people's largest monthly expense, so it's a little more significant than the cost of a tee shirt.
#84 Jul 16 2004 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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120ish thousand a year. was more when my mom also worked up until about 4 years ago (220ish or so).
#85 Jul 16 2004 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
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How much of a car's cost is mark up and commission? Same with other products? Mark up makes up the bulk of the price. As far as I know, they have lower mark up percentages than in other parts of the country.


Of course. Because car dealers in Missippi want to lose money and offer cars to the poor citizens at discounts compared to other dealers. Wealthy people in Mississipi, of course go out of state to buy their cars so they can pay full value.
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#86 Jul 17 2004 at 4:35 AM Rating: Good
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I would think that car dealers in Mississippi would want to sell cars, right? A $20k price tag on a car doesn't help if you don't find a buyer.

I have no idea if prices for things like cars vary by state, but I don't see any reason why they couldn't. Alot of what determins the cost of a good is the general "cost of doing business" in a state, into which may of the factors that cause salary differences by state would be a factor. State taxes, tarrifs, property costs (how much less can you sell a car for if it's sitting on a space that costs $5 a day instead of $50 a day?). Um. And the salaries of the employees at the dealership matter as well. If a car salesman makes 80k year in California and 50K a year in Mississippi, you've reduced the wage overhead of your dealership by 37%. That's got to have some effect all by itself on the final price you can sell the car for. I'd expect all other costs of business to be that same percentage lower as well.


I don't know if it would be an exact correlation to property values, but I'd expect the trend would be that costs for goods like cars would dip or raise based on those same relative values. That's just an eyeball look at it though. I can't see any reason why they *wouldn't* vary by state.
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#87 Jul 17 2004 at 5:51 AM Rating: Decent
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In my experience, cars are priced largely the same. You just see more of the cloth seat versions being sold in places that aren't as wealthy. The primary cost of assembling an automobile is labor. Dealer markups are probably a distant fourth behind parts and shipping fees (including care and handling). A dealer will get a kickback even if he sells the car for less than the dealership nominally pays for it. Anything he can make on the markup is pure profit in his pocket. This dynamic is changing somewhat as some car companies try to draw customers by offering set, non-negotiable sticker prices. The markup is more pronounced if you buy a vehicle that is somewhat less common. For example, a new Peterbilt that my family priced a few years ago varied from $94,000 to $112,000, all with the same equipment (two different engines, but the same 550 HP). Cars don't vary this much because of increased competition. BTW, a 2005 base model Nissan Altima stickers for about $18,000 in South Mississippi. The leather seat and V6 version is a bit over $30,000.
#88 Jul 17 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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heh in the bay area alone you can see a marked difference in price between the peninsula (san mateo, millbrea, san bruno) and the outskirts... like Dublin, Sacramento, Wallnut Creek and the like. so prices DO fluctuate. not just between states but between cities and counties....
#89 Jul 17 2004 at 12:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think I make around 85, not exactly sure since I just got a raise and haven't bothered to do the math. Anyway I live comfortably and have enough socked away to keep me going for a couple of years if anything untoward should happen to my job, or if I get a wild hair to write down the book in my head.

The only thing I look at on my pay check is to see how much paid time off I've accumulated, and whether I need to take a day off to avoid losing it.
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#90 Jul 19 2004 at 2:09 AM Rating: Good
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My work as a contract Tech Writer in California (Silicon Valley) yearly avg. was about $90k (couple years before the crash up to 100k)


I graduated out of a tech-writing program right after the crash. I couln't find any work, anything, in technical writing for the longest time. It was hell. So I became an insurance underwriter (no writing involved, don't ask), and then got a tech writing job within that same company. All's peachy now.

Our combined income is about 90k. This figure will hopefully improve as I gain more experience.
#91 Jul 19 2004 at 2:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Of course it doesn't. Do you think they sell new cars in Missippi for $10k instead of $20k? Or that Walmart lowers prices on clothing, etc.?


Groceries in CA are MUCH higher than in FL as well. Might have something to do with the grocer's unions not allowing Wal-Mart to put superstores in ...

Liquor is the exception. Hell, with minimum wage being $6.75 and liquor being cheap, CA is a drunkard's paradise!

The weed sucks out here though. If I hadn't already quit before I moved here, it wouldn't have taken long for that nasty stuff to force me to quit. They pay more for it here, too. /boggle

Oh yeah ... as to the original topic, I'm a student, so I really don't make squat at the moment - maybe $2000 in scholarships leftover once the tuition and books are paid up. Looking forward to my internship in a year when I can at least make 50% of what my wage will eventually be (I'm in my junior year of Chem Engineering). My fiance works in the wind industry and makes ~$40k a year or so.



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#92 Jul 19 2004 at 3:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I would think that car dealers in Mississippi would want to sell cars, right? A $20k price tag on a car doesn't help if you don't find a buyer.

I have no idea if prices for things like cars vary by state, but I don't see any reason why they couldn't. Alot of what determins the cost of a good is the general "cost of doing business" in a state, into which may of the factors that cause salary differences by state would be a factor. State taxes, tarrifs, property costs (how much less can you sell a car for if it's sitting on a space that costs $5 a day instead of $50 a day?). Um. And the salaries of the employees at the dealership matter as well. If a car salesman makes 80k year in California and 50K a year in Mississippi, you've reduced the wage overhead of your dealership by 37%. That's got to have some effect all by itself on the final price you can sell the car for. I'd expect all other costs of business to be that same percentage lower as well.


I don't know if it would be an exact correlation to property values, but I'd expect the trend would be that costs for goods like cars would dip or raise based on those same relative values. That's just an eyeball look at it though. I can't see any reason why they *wouldn't* vary by state.


Here's a reason, you dumb motherfuc[b][/b]ker, because people can go out of state to buy a car.

Shocking, isn't it. If I can get a $20,000 car in Missippi for $15,000 and drive it home and then sell it for $19,000 with a thousand miles on it does that strike you as a wise buisness model?



Edited, Mon Jul 19 04:42:03 2004 by Smasharoo

Edited, Mon Jul 19 04:42:44 2004 by Smasharoo
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#93 Jul 19 2004 at 3:55 AM Rating: Decent
Heh, i never really counted mine up because i'm currently a freelancer. I work on shows here in the D/FW area and typically get anywhere from $200 to $300 a day. That's if i find work though :( Summer and winter are really slow for shows, but fall and spring are hot. Stupid Union workers only get about $10-$15 an hour here... suckers... Sooo glad i'm not one of them. ^_^ If things don't pick up though, i may have to join them :(
#94 Jul 19 2004 at 3:59 AM Rating: Decent
Any of you ever bought a used car? Your discussing the "lower class" paying 10k or 20k for a car, if they are only making 30k< a year, they shouldnt be spending that much on a car, when they can find good deals on used cars. Most I ever paid for an automoblie was 4800, I drove it for 11 yrs. Put 130k miles on it, had 65k on it when I bought it(1990)... which isnt bad. It was an '87 Pontiac Grand Am SE V6 automatic, power all. Was still running when I sold it. Made the mistake and bought a Ford. Ah well .. live n learn.
Many people need to learn to live within thier means.. but way to seldom you got folks that want to try to live "high on the hog" or keep up with the Jones' .. and then come out bankrupt or in debt up the DDY. It's also all too common to see afdc recipients(welfare) getting groceries with food stamps .. just to walk out side and get into a 50-70k SUV. Lightbulb !! --> Yeah thats it .. lets live in a **** hole, have a small army of snot rockets(wearing $100-200 shoes that they will outgrow in a few months), by 3 different men , work part time somewhere just to have enough to pay for that $650.00 car payment a month (but not too much .. might get the check/freebies cut off) and ride around like we rich #$#%$%.
Meanwhile not too far from them is a struggling family , who are working hard and doing thier best to keep thier head above water, not getting any assistance from the govn't. Kids look like they came out of the lost hills of W.V. in '49.

Wow didnt plan on ranting, Maybe this should have went to another board.

/shrug
#95 Jul 19 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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This would require me to figure up all the jobs I have during a year, and then factor in unemployment.

So, I'll lie and say 20K.

Mississippi Smash.

It's not that hard.
#96 Jul 19 2004 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Mississippi Smash.

It's not that hard.


LOL!!!
#97 Jul 19 2004 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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80k, but then I only work five months and one week out of any given year. More importantly my health insurance is nill since I work for a hospital. For instance, my wife had an appendectomy and it cost me all of $65. Can't beat that, especially when you consider that since the docs and nurses know I fly for the hospital they put her in a private room, she got more attention, and stayed an additional day free.

Also, if I need to go to the ER (as my kids have had to over the past several years) I get in past all those poor saps who have been sitting for hours and see a doc right away. That even applies to my parents who were visiting and my Dad had some lightheadedness.

Compare that to a friend of ours who pays $600 a month for health insurance and had to fork over $50k for a surgery that wasn't fully covered by his plan.

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So, Totem, out of idle curiousity... would you support getting rid of the HMO/Private health model in favor of (yep I'll use the word) socialized medicine at a STATEWIDE level?

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#99 Jul 19 2004 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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No. As it is our medical structure needs to let some of the dead wood drop off the tree, so to speak so that honest, hard working, tax paying citizens can get the proper health care they deserve and need.

Besides, if you think HMOs are bad about kicking over the cash for medical procedures, you should see what socialized medicine would do to the threshold for health care. Oh dear, you have an appendicitis? Take a number and sit down. We should get to you in about... 213 days, 17 hours, and 39 minutes.

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Other than the fact that's mostly a fallacy Totem, it's a well thought out argument. Access wouldn't be a problem, if sufficient investment were made to make sure that there continued to be a strong infrastructure on hand to treat people. Right now we pay 50% more for less care than most other industrialized countries.

There are a lot of things we can do (barring advertising of prescription drugs, artifically capping profits --- as it stands the average pharmaceutical company makes roughly 3X the profit of the average Fortune 500 company --- for drug companies (in essense that's what negotiating a bulk purchase would be), and limiting lawsuit rewards for malpractice) but truthfully, medicine is simply not meant to be a free market practice in the modern world. It doesn't work. It won't work. Totally socializing it might not be the best answer either, but in the end, at least everyone is covered.

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#101 Jul 19 2004 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
OK - I'll weigh in... We're at about $80K. While that sounds high in some parts of the country, it's not too much locally. We have 2 teenagers with one year to go until they go to college, and median home prices exceeded $1,000,000 last month. We were lucky enough to have bought 6 1/2 years ago, so our 5-bedroom, 3-bath home that we bought for $400K is now worth somewhere above the median. How much we may never know... at least, not until we're ready to cash in our chips and move someplace MUCH cheaper...

Traffic sucks and NIMBYs won't let anything significant happen. Gas is more expensive here than the rest of the country, so I just bought a Vespa, which is the perfect vehicle for this town.

Smoggy - I didn't know you moved back east... You'll have to let me know how you're handling the culture change.

Smash - woof! Nice chunk o' change... MA is a really nice area. The Berkshires are beautiful! (Never spent any time in Boston area, only central and western Mass.)

AH - don't take anything for granted, dude. Stay alert and aware...
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