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Read my edit as I didn't finish. Naming a candidate besides Perot is irrelevant, it happened and therefore there is a precendence.




here I just copied it.

Edited, Tue Jul 13 19:45:30 2004 by CrimsonMagician

communists don't have the problem of getting into ballots, communism will eventually take over, it will overthrow the joke of a democracy we see in the USA, in most of europe and south america, wether the bourgoisie gives up and stops being able to revoloutionise their means of production, or wether there is a violent uprising, it will happen, ballot boxes are just another thing for the capitalists to hide behind, but it will all fall.

Should have known by the icon and the link in your sig. If I recall correctly, true communism is the next evolution of capitalism. Is that how the Marx paper goes?


Though we do have an argument contradiction, I won't call you on it as you've entertained me for an hour.

Edited, Tue Jul 13 19:59:54 2004 by CrimsonMagician

who said not by force?



Communism needs capitalism to preceed it to work, and all capitalism will eventually turn to communism.

dracoid throw me a bone please, star trek like right?

Obviously. You had a prepared retort.

Sweet Dreams Comrade. Luckily by that time I'll be dead.

We already have the Republicans and David Duke. What else could you want?

But he can, because of freedom of speech. He has the right to tell you that he thinks they're wrong.

Would he be able to do so under a communist society?

edit: spelling

Edited, Tue Jul 13 20:55:33 2004 by Jindo

Duke was a bit closer to the KKK than the Aryans.





Now would be a bad time to discuss armed revolution. In light of a few other current events.

And the odds of communism winning social dominance over the current is slim to none IMO. First it has to overcome the trained-in avoidance we have to it. Think about how people feel about snakes. Its the same sub-conscience driving them. The current political structure we have works for the majority, and overcoming the majority by armed resistance is tough. Our own revolution illustrated this. We didn't win by force, that's certain. (I'm curious, do you have any numbers that illustrate the size of the american Communist Party?)

The beauty of a democracy is theres always some one sympathetic to some cause you want brought to light. All you have to do is find him and get him elected. The problem with speaking about armed revolution is that of the 2 possible outcomes one could be far worse than the status quo for the revolutionaries. Take Germans after World War I, not a revolution I know, but think about how the Europeans treated them for the next 15 years. Hell or even Communists, and people who were just accused of being, after McCarthys hey-day.

I don't think communism is wrong, I like the theory behind it, however I think that it will never work if it isn't put into place democratically (and democratically isn't putting a gun to the opponents head, that's Fascist.) You can look to Russia for why I think that. One successor, thats all it took. The system is too open to corruption, I could use some worn out cliche here about mans fallibility, but the point should be clear.

What I'm most curious of Dracoid, is why you choose to stay in the U.K.? Why no go to China, or Cuba? If the system there is so bad why do you stay? (Seriously, I'm not trying to poke or anything, I'm really curious.)

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Sorry I should have stipulated that it needs to be since the Parties changed jackets and switched sides. (mid-50s I believe.)

Second Edit: Corrected where Dracoid was :|

Edited, Tue Jul 13 21:48:14 2004 by AriesGhost

No, but had you paid attention then you'd have noticed that there aren't many communist countries to choose from. And that any communist country is closer to Marx than we are in the States. They only need reform, we need revolution to make them/us closer to Dracoid vision.

Yes, it is, however the problem is giving up personl properties, thats going to be the killer. I'll read up more on Marxs definition/theory tonight.

It's like reading a law book and working through the double speak at times.

Edited, Tue Jul 13 21:38:49 2004 by AriesGhost

Edited, Tue Jul 13 21:41:00 2004 by AriesGhost

Nevermind.

Edited, Tue Jul 13 21:41:36 2004 by CrimsonMagician