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Need some help, scholars. What's the implication here? Is there more benefit here than meets the eye?
I'm an optimist, and not of just my motherboard bus speed. I'm interested in what Roo, Gbaji, Stok, and Totem might have to say. Plenty of others too... not Moebius though, haehaheh. kidding.
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US Psyops, no doubt in my mind.
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Well my name wasn't there but I'll say this:
Whoever these guys are they sound pretty ignorant. They are doing the exact same thing that the targets are doing. They are preaching forgiveness and then talking about using the same tactics in apprehending the accused. The last thing we need is another extremist group running around dealing out death and judgement, it just shows even more dissention in an already troubled area. There is also the possibility of US involvement, which would be interesting.
Edited, Tue Jul 6 19:23:53 2004 by CrimsonMagician
Whoever these guys are they sound pretty ignorant. They are doing the exact same thing that the targets are doing. They are preaching forgiveness and then talking about using the same tactics in apprehending the accused. The last thing we need is another extremist group running around dealing out death and judgement, it just shows even more dissention in an already troubled area. There is also the possibility of US involvement, which would be interesting.
Edited, Tue Jul 6 19:23:53 2004 by CrimsonMagician
On first read, I thought "Hey, well at least there's some moderate Iraqis out there who see the hypocrisy in killing people in the name of religion. Too bad the news won't pay attention to them because they're not beheading people on film."
Then I realized they said they he would be "hunted down and killed." So they still have a ways to go if your optimism was that Iraq is starting to sway towards a more civil and democratic attitude. But either way, hunting down and killing criminals is still better than hunting down and killing innocents.
If they had said he would be "hunted down and prosecuted in a court of law," then I'd be more optimistic.
Edited, Tue Jul 6 19:24:40 2004 by trickybeck
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US Psyops, no doubt in my mind.
I would like to think the some group of Iraqi's realy are fed up and would try this if nothing else but it seems to be trying to hard to me. Like someone is purposly apeing the terrorists as a way to thumb their noses at them.
Not trying to bump my post count...honest
Edited, Tue Jul 6 20:17:50 2004 by GitSlayer
Edited, Tue Jul 6 20:17:50 2004 by GitSlayer
It's transparently self serving to the new "woverign" government. In the battle of hearts and minds, they need to feild a team the anti-american people can identify with.
Also look at where the tape first aired. A Saudi run network that the US had shut down for brodacsting this very sort of thing suddenly gets a tape from an essentially pro-US group?
I don't have any firsthand knowledge of any of this, and I could certainly be wrong, but if it isn't a Psyops op, it's IDENTICAL to how'd they impliment one.
Also look at where the tape first aired. A Saudi run network that the US had shut down for brodacsting this very sort of thing suddenly gets a tape from an essentially pro-US group?
I don't have any firsthand knowledge of any of this, and I could certainly be wrong, but if it isn't a Psyops op, it's IDENTICAL to how'd they impliment one.
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trickybeck the Sly wrote:
If they had said he would be "hunted down and prosecuted in a court of law," then I'd be more optimistic.
Why?
Some people do unforgivable things, and thus they don't deserve to go on living. What good would come of putting these people in prison for years on end. Catch 'em, kill 'em, and lets get on with what we're doing over there... re-building and getting the hell out of the Iraqis lives (now there's an optimistic thought).
Some people do are innocent, but convited of doing terrible things and thus they deserve to go on living. What good would come of killing them when instead you can put these people in prison for years on end. That way if you find out their innocent you're not apologising to a tombstone.
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LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
trickybeck the Sly wrote:
If they had said he would be "hunted down and prosecuted in a court of law," then I'd be more optimistic.
Why?
Some people do unforgivable things, and thus they don't deserve to go on living. What good would come of putting these people in prison for years on end. Catch 'em, kill 'em, and lets get on with what we're doing over there... re-building and getting the hell out of the Iraqis lives (now there's an optimistic thought).
If we're trying to spread our influence and policies to this region of the world, endorsing this kind of behavior is not going to help. I know it sounds cliche', but stooping to that level makes us no better than them. To go even further we have to hold on to our own policies and follow through with them if we want our ideals to stick.
Whether or not they ever will is another question, but that is the proper protocol to follow. I'm sure plenty would want Saddam locked in a Scud warhead with nerve gas and launched into space, but it just can't be done.
LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
trickybeck the Sly wrote:
If they had said he would be "hunted down and prosecuted in a court of law," then I'd be more optimistic.
Why?
Some people do unforgivable things, and thus they don't deserve to go on living. What good would come of putting these people in prison for years on end. Catch 'em, kill 'em, and lets get on with what we're doing over there... re-building and getting the hell out of the Iraqis lives (now there's an optimistic thought).
First, we're talking about the middle east, so the result of prosecution would likely be death, not prison. And while the case against Zarqawi is clear, identifying the "friends and supporters" is a tougher job. If you kill anyone that anybody has accused as being a friend or supporter, you'll end up doing more harm than good.
That's the whole point of a trial, to make sure that you got the right guys.
It's not outside the realm of possibility that it is a group of Iraqis who are operating by their own set of rules. Is it so unlikely that there could be Iraqis who are glad Saddam is gone and don't want the Zarqawi's and al-Sadr's of the world making Iraqi policy by default?
This is not to say that it isn't a psy-ops plan in play, but Iraq is so factionalized that it wouldn't surprise me if Mohammhed the Clown was beheading foreigners in an effort to push the new government into forcing them to make laws requiring the wearing of big shoes and large red noses.
Totem
This is not to say that it isn't a psy-ops plan in play, but Iraq is so factionalized that it wouldn't surprise me if Mohammhed the Clown was beheading foreigners in an effort to push the new government into forcing them to make laws requiring the wearing of big shoes and large red noses.
Totem
Jindo wrote:
First, we're talking about the middle east, so the result of prosecution would likely be death, not prison. And while the case against Zarqawi is clear, identifying the "friends and supporters" is a tougher job. If you kill anyone that anybody has accused as being a friend or supporter, you'll end up doing more harm than good.
That's the whole point of a trial, to make sure that you got the right guys.
That's the whole point of a trial, to make sure that you got the right guys.
True, I should have thought that through before hastily jumping to my conclusion.
EDIT: You can tell that I was never meant to lead, I'd do an awful job due to short-sightedness.
Edited, Tue Jul 6 21:46:13 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
'Roo if you ever feel like it, I would love some examples of Psyops in the recent past. I'm new to the reality of it.
How about the Normandy invasion, Dean-o? Eisenhower put into place and executed a massive psy-ops plan where he fooled the Germans into thinking the Allies would be landing well north and east of where they did invade.
Totem
Totem
History is rife with disinformation and morale operations.
Totem
Totem
I'm pretty young. Not as educated as some. Hence recent. But that's a great example and I appreciate it.
I suspect you are looking for a small operation in this last war? A prime example of this is the dropping of leaflets telling the locals that they should lay down their arms and they wouldn't be hurt. They used this to semi-decent effect in Desert Storm.
A bad example of a psy-ops program is when to flush out Antonio Noriega the US Army played bad rock music at a ear-splittingly loud volume. All it did was annoy everyone.
Totem
A bad example of a psy-ops program is when to flush out Antonio Noriega the US Army played bad rock music at a ear-splittingly loud volume. All it did was annoy everyone.
Totem
http://www.specialoperations.com/Army/PSYOP/default.html
The public consumption examples of Psyops will seem very mundane and harmless. If you want an example simmilar to what I suspect we're seeing in Iraq, I think the formation out of nowhere of "Los Pepes" while Delta was looking to assasinate Pablo Escobar would be a good clear example.
The public consumption examples of Psyops will seem very mundane and harmless. If you want an example simmilar to what I suspect we're seeing in Iraq, I think the formation out of nowhere of "Los Pepes" while Delta was looking to assasinate Pablo Escobar would be a good clear example.
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