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#1 Jun 30 2004 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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WASHINGTON - In a few key areas - electricity, the judicial system and overall security - the Iraq that America handed back to its residents Monday is worse off than before the war began last year, according to calculations in a new General Accounting Office report released Tuesday.

The 105-page report by Congress' investigative arm offers a bleak assessment of Iraq after 14 months of U.S. military occupation. Among its findings:

-In 13 of Iraq's 18 provinces, electricity was available fewer hours per day on average last month than before the war. Nearly 20 million of Iraq's 26 million people live in those provinces.

-Only $13.7 billion of the $58 billion pledged and allocated worldwide to rebuild Iraq has been spent, with another $10 billion about to be spent. The biggest chunk of that money has been used to run Iraq's ministry operations.

-The country's court system is more clogged than before the war, and judges are frequent targets of assassination attempts.

-The new Iraqi civil defense, police and overall security units are suffering from mass desertions, are poorly trained and ill-equipped.

-The number of what the now-disbanded Coalition Provisional Authority called significant insurgent attacks skyrocketed from 411 in February to 1,169 in May.

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#2 Jun 30 2004 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
But, we DID win the war.

Didn't we?
#3 Jun 30 2004 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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But, we DID win the war.

Didn't we?


Yes, WE did. The people of Iraq and the US troops lost. You and I, though, we won! We got to see a shooting war on TV, a President land on an air craft carrier, US troops dragged through the streets, and the occasional beheading!

Without the war we'd have to had watched "Freinds" reruns.
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#4 Jun 30 2004 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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You have to give it time, Smash. You can't just give up because we haven't gotten everything perfect yet. How do you know that, in a year, things won't be much better?

Or, if in a year things are worse, we should just give it more time. We can't call something a loss before it's even finished yet. The liberals would have you think that because things weren't perfect immediately, they never will be. It might just need another year.

Or, if in three years time, it's still a mess, we need to give it time to see what happens. It'd be foolish to just quit after three years without seeing what the results are...
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#5 Jun 30 2004 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, WE did. The people of Iraq and the US troops lost. You and I, though, we won! We got to see a shooting war on TV, a President land on an air craft carrier, US troops dragged through the streets, and the occasional beheading!

Without the war we'd have to had watched "Freinds" reruns.


No we'd be watching a nuclear or biological weapon be detonated inside a major city.

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#6 Jun 30 2004 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Smiley: laughSmiley: lolSmiley: laugh

Ok, Condi.
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#7 Jun 30 2004 at 11:48 AM Rating: Default
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You have to give it time, Smash. You can't just give up because we haven't gotten everything perfect yet. How do you know that, in a year, things won't be much better?

Or, if in a year things are worse, we should just give it more time. We can't call something a loss before it's even finished yet. The liberals would have you think that because things weren't perfect immediately, they never will be. It might just need another year.

Or, if in three years time, it's still a mess, we need to give it time to see what happens. It'd be foolish to just quit after three years without seeing what the results are...


Who said anything about quitting?

What's so fuc[/b]kin difficult about reading what I post and responding to what I post as opposed to creating random arguments I haven't made?

You're so right, though. Lets give it 20 years, no wait, fuc[b]
k it, let's give it an even 100. It'll be impossible to judge it as a success or failure untill at least 2104, so untill then, no one's responsible for it, nothing that happens can be judged and everythings....


COMING

UP

ROSES!!!


Where's Ethel Merman whan I need her.
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#8 Jun 30 2004 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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Ummm.... Smash?

You DO know I was just giving the standard Gbaji line to complaints out how things are going in Iraq, Afghanistan, the prisons, etc, right? Satire? Sarcasm? Huh? Please?
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#9 Jun 30 2004 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I thought that was obvious Jophiel.
#10 Jun 30 2004 at 11:55 AM Rating: Default
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Ohhh....

Sarcasm. Sorry, it was far more reasoned than a Gbaji response would have been. You needed to add this:

"Come on, Smash. We all know, that just like Germany and Japan after WW2, our massive investment of capital will pay huge dividends in a few years!"

Then I would have recognised it.
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#11 Jun 30 2004 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Well, I'm new to it and all.
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#12 Jun 30 2004 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah? So what? Dresden and Hiroshima were substantially worse off after the war than before it as well. That's what happens during and after a war. What's your point? I suppose John Kerry would have broken out his magic wand and sprinkled pixie dust over Baghdad and made things all better moments after major combat operations ceased?

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#13 Jun 30 2004 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh. Or you should have just prefaced it with "Heh" as slightly smug "come on this obvious guys" before the satire bit.
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Dresden and Hiroshima were substantially worse off after the war than before it as well


You are using two of the most disgraceful wartime acts in all of history as a parallel here?
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Yeah? So what? Dresden and Hiroshima were substantially worse off after the war than before it as well. That's what happens during and after a war. What's your point? I suppose John Kerry would have broken out his magic wand and sprinkled pixie dust over Baghdad and made things all better moments after major combat operations ceased?
See? Totem does an excellent Gbaji! He just needs to work on length.
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#16 Jun 30 2004 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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That announcement is as breathtaking and stupendous as the GAO saying Iraq will produce oil for revenue.

Oh, really? Whodathunkit?

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#17 Jun 30 2004 at 12:06 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah? So what? Dresden and Hiroshima were substantially worse off after the war than before it as well. That's what happens during and after a war. What's your point? I suppose John Kerry would have broken out his magic wand and sprinkled pixie dust over Baghdad and made things all better moments after major combat operations ceased?


One, John Kerry wouldn't have invaded acountry that posed as much threat to US National Security as Brazil.

Two, had he done so, he would certainly have listened to advisors that told him over and over that he needed to have more troops in place to deal with the reconstruction.

Three, he would have built UN support and the burden for rebuilding the nation wouldn't be falling ENTIRELY on US Tax payers.

I think it's fantastic that you wouldn't give a homeless US person a "handout" from your tax dollars, but you're more than willing to give wealthy Iraqi's as much money as they want to charge for subcontracts without blinking an eye.

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#18 Jun 30 2004 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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And what was disgraceful about Dresden and Hiroshima? Sure they were horrific, but disgraceful?

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#19 Jun 30 2004 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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You forgot #4, Smash-- he'd've used his magic wand and bag of pixie dust if he needed it too.

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#20 Jun 30 2004 at 12:07 PM Rating: Default
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That announcement is as breathtaking and stupendous as the GAO saying Iraq will produce oil for revenue.


It's a big deal, actually, because it refutes what the CPA has been saying in press confrence after press confrence, that the infastructure is better than in the Saddam Era.

Lying, essentialy. What's that, a Bush appointee lying?

I know, shocking.
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#21 Jun 30 2004 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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And you are wrong about welfare, Smash. I am very willing to help out the poor and needy with money and food, but they need to reciprocate in kind by working. Call it my Miles Standish policy.

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#22 Jun 30 2004 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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They may not be taught as digraceful acts in history classes in the US, but they sure are over here.

Iraq being worse of is a big deal if one of the justifications for war is humanitarian reasons, a la Tony Blair.
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And you are wrong about welfare, Smash. I am very willing to help out the poor and needy with money and food, but they need to reciprocate in kind by working.


Ahh, I see. So you're willing to pay more taxes then, because requiring work for welfare costs about twice of what just mailing a check does.

Intresting. Didn't realize you were in favor of raising taxes.

I'll make a note of it.
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#24 Jun 30 2004 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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I can't defend what is obviously wrong, if what you are saying is true (in reference to the CPA reports). War tends to break things and kill people. That's as immutable as death and Democrats wanting higher taxes.

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And you are wrong about welfare, Smash. I am very willing to help out the poor and needy with money and food, but they need to reciprocate in kind by working. Call it my Miles Standish policy.


Miles Standish

Is this the Miles Standish you are referring to. Is there a thread I should be reading to get some background here?
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#26 Jun 30 2004 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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So Winnie is pilloried over in GB for participating in the decision to not warn the residents of Dresden? Moreover, they are teaching young, impressionable, and toothless bangers and mash eaters that the US should have sacrificed hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of soldiers to assault the Japanese home islands?

Wow. I had no idea the moral fiber and character of England had decayed so far...

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