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9 Days and counting. I personally think there will be an extension. What do you guys think?
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Eh? We'll see. Most likely, we'll go ahead with the transition, but will stay to help secure things for the new government (unless the demand we leave, which would seem unlikely given the conditions right now).
Point is that the insurgents are doing this because they don't want what we're doing to succeed. In a backhanded way, they're telling is that what we're doing in Iraq *will* hurt them (terrorists) in the long run. Why else work so hard to stir up insurection? If they thought they could continue to operate normally post transition, the'd just let it happen, lie low, wait for us to leave, and then resume operations.
It's also unfortunately, self fullfilling. One of the big rallying cries is the assumption that the US is taking over Iraq and wont leave after power is handed over. By creating as much chaos as possible, they make it pretty much impossible for the US to just pack up and leave immediately. Thus, fullfilling their complaint. Unfortunately, to the averge Iraqi, they're just going to see that US soldiers will still be there, and bombs will still be going off. The hardest part of the whole thing will be convincing them that if it weren't for those insurgents, none of that would be happening. If we can convince most Iraqi's of that, then we'll come out of this in good shape. If we can't, things will get really ugly.
Point is that the insurgents are doing this because they don't want what we're doing to succeed. In a backhanded way, they're telling is that what we're doing in Iraq *will* hurt them (terrorists) in the long run. Why else work so hard to stir up insurection? If they thought they could continue to operate normally post transition, the'd just let it happen, lie low, wait for us to leave, and then resume operations.
It's also unfortunately, self fullfilling. One of the big rallying cries is the assumption that the US is taking over Iraq and wont leave after power is handed over. By creating as much chaos as possible, they make it pretty much impossible for the US to just pack up and leave immediately. Thus, fullfilling their complaint. Unfortunately, to the averge Iraqi, they're just going to see that US soldiers will still be there, and bombs will still be going off. The hardest part of the whole thing will be convincing them that if it weren't for those insurgents, none of that would be happening. If we can convince most Iraqi's of that, then we'll come out of this in good shape. If we can't, things will get really ugly.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
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Point is that the insurgents are doing this because they don't want what we're doing to succeed.
When did Miss Marple start posting here?
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When did Miss Marple start posting here?
Tee-hee.
Eb
Just to clarify Gbaji's position, the war is a sucess because the insurgents are fighting to stop us from hurting them.
If they weren't fighting his position would be that the war was a success because we weren't seeing insurgency.
If they detonate a nuclear weapon in Iraq (the insurgents) killing all of our troops, it will be a success because they didn't detonate one in wwashington DC.
If Iraq turns into a fundementalist state like Iran, it will be a success because it would have happened when Saddam died anyway, but at least now there's no infrastructure.
Essentially, there's absolutely no condition that Gbaji would see as negative in Iraq.
He is truely, a true beliver.
If they weren't fighting his position would be that the war was a success because we weren't seeing insurgency.
If they detonate a nuclear weapon in Iraq (the insurgents) killing all of our troops, it will be a success because they didn't detonate one in wwashington DC.
If Iraq turns into a fundementalist state like Iran, it will be a success because it would have happened when Saddam died anyway, but at least now there's no infrastructure.
Essentially, there's absolutely no condition that Gbaji would see as negative in Iraq.
He is truely, a true beliver.
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If they detonate a nuclear weapon in Iraq (the insurgents) killing all of our troops, it will be a success because they didn't detonate one in wwashington DC
So true, and funny.
Friar Reinman wrote:
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If they detonate a nuclear weapon in Iraq (the insurgents) killing all of our troops, it will be a success because they didn't detonate one in wwashington DC
So true, and funny.
Wait, so that's not really a success? I don't get it.
What if they are fighting against a US elected government that will operate under direct US influence with an Iraqi nameplate?
If Germany occupied the US, but elected US officials that Germany wanted in,I would pick up an RPG as well.
Edited, Mon Jun 21 18:12:37 2004 by Gadin
If Germany occupied the US, but elected US officials that Germany wanted in,I would pick up an RPG as well.
Edited, Mon Jun 21 18:12:37 2004 by Gadin
That would be a success too. Don't worry, even if God came from the heavens and proclaimed it a failure, it'd still be a success.
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That would be a success too. Don't worry, even if God came from the heavens and proclaimed it a failure, it'd still be a success.
You see that thread on Taxes in OOT? I mean, damn, he IS a true believer.
Eb
Wow. I can smell the Ad-hominim from here...
Nice word twisting there Smash. Did I say that the attacks meant we were succeeding? Nope. Only that the terrorists don't want us to succeed.
Normally, I would assume I wouldn't need to say something that obvious (cause, well. it is obvious), but certain individuals on this forum seem positive that the only result the transition in Iraq can have is to increase terrorism. You'd think that terrorists would want that, right?
So let's turn it around for a moment and view it with "Smasharoo goggles" (tm) on:
If the terrorists don't do anything, then what we're doing in Iraq is really what they wanted all along. We're saps and we're playing right into their hands. Praise Allah!
If the terrorists attack and cause civil unrest it merely shows the stenght of our failure since we're unable to control the country even before we hand it over.
Um... Is there a condition there for success Smash? I seem to recall a story about eyes and planks...
Nice word twisting there Smash. Did I say that the attacks meant we were succeeding? Nope. Only that the terrorists don't want us to succeed.
Normally, I would assume I wouldn't need to say something that obvious (cause, well. it is obvious), but certain individuals on this forum seem positive that the only result the transition in Iraq can have is to increase terrorism. You'd think that terrorists would want that, right?
So let's turn it around for a moment and view it with "Smasharoo goggles" (tm) on:
If the terrorists don't do anything, then what we're doing in Iraq is really what they wanted all along. We're saps and we're playing right into their hands. Praise Allah!
If the terrorists attack and cause civil unrest it merely shows the stenght of our failure since we're unable to control the country even before we hand it over.
Um... Is there a condition there for success Smash? I seem to recall a story about eyes and planks...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
I dont see why everyone is saying that the Iraqi government would be a puppet government. It will be run by Iraqis. The officials will be voted in by Iraqis (hey legitimate elections in Iraq, that'll be a change). If the Iraqis choose to let the government become a theocratic government that will be there choice. If they want to keep their newfound democarcy it will be their choice too.
At least, we are providing the Iraqis a choice of how they want to live rather then a gaurenteed life living under a brutal dictatorship.
It'll be intersting when, in the next year or so, the US forces start their withdraw (note that odds are we will not be leaving Iraq June 30th)to see how the Iraqis manage their new found freedoms.
BTW, if Bush interfers with any of the elections or decisions made by the Iraqis, he will at least lose support from me.
At least, we are providing the Iraqis a choice of how they want to live rather then a gaurenteed life living under a brutal dictatorship.
It'll be intersting when, in the next year or so, the US forces start their withdraw (note that odds are we will not be leaving Iraq June 30th)to see how the Iraqis manage their new found freedoms.
BTW, if Bush interfers with any of the elections or decisions made by the Iraqis, he will at least lose support from me.
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Is there a condition there for success Smash?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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So let's turn it around for a moment and view it with "Smasharoo goggles" (tm) on:
If the terrorists don't do anything, then what we're doing in Iraq is really what they wanted all along. We're saps and we're playing right into their hands. Praise Allah!
If the terrorists don't do anything, then what we're doing in Iraq is really what they wanted all along. We're saps and we're playing right into their hands. Praise Allah!
I think Gbaji is growing a sense of humor. Kudos Gbaji!!!
Killing US soldiers, and Westerners in general, doesn't really have to mean anything, maybe they just like it? Besides, if the Americans pull out, who knows when the next opportunity will be to blow some of them up. It sure is harder to do on American soil.
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Besides, if the Americans pull out, who knows when the next opportunity will be to blow some of them up. It sure is harder to do on American soil.
Don't forget that we have blown up hundreds if not thousands of terrorist during this campaign. All of whom would have loved to put on a UPS uniform and ring your doorbell for a "special delivery."
Hey Wait! I have an idea. Why don't we pack all of our proverbial bags in the mid-east and leave. And on our way out we can apologize to them for being such greedy westerners and thank them for only bombing the twin towers and the pentagon.
I guess another solution might be to just turn the whole thing over the un and blix who are obviously more efficient than the evil empires military.
Then when they bomb us again we will have an established method for responding to the islamic freedom fighters.
lol
Varus
I guess another solution might be to just turn the whole thing over the un and blix who are obviously more efficient than the evil empires military.
Then when they bomb us again we will have an established method for responding to the islamic freedom fighters.
lol
Varus
blix = retired.
Eb
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If we can get all the world's terrorists together in Iraq, in a big circle holding hands and singing "Peace Train", I'll call it a success!
If we can get all the world's terrorists together in Iraq in a big circle holding hands and singing "Peace Train", I'll call it a blessing from God and drop every 5000lb bomb I can find on their sick, savage, sadistic, wacked out, moronic, ***-backwards, butts. Rock on. :)
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***-backwards, butts.
*rubs eyes*
Huh?
Eb
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If the terrorists don't do anything, then what we're doing in Iraq is really what they wanted all along. We're saps and we're playing right into their hands. Praise Allah!
If the terrorists attack and cause civil unrest it merely shows the stenght of our failure since we're unable to control the country even before we hand it over.
The terrorists want two things. To kill Americans and to recruit more terrorists.
This war for them has been an unqualified massive success.
Do tell me though, do you see the attacks a sign we're succeeding or failing? Since as you point out you didn't specify, and I foolishly assumed your oppinion was consistent with the other 95 times you've posted that it must mean we're succeeding, clarify it for me.
Edited, Tue Jun 22 18:31:36 2004 by Smasharoo
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Smasharoo wrote:
Do tell me though, do you see the attacks a sign we're succeeding or failing?
Wanna know how we know if we're succeeding or failing? Well we havn't been bombed since the twin towers, we've liberated two countries in the process of inserting ourselves into the middle of the hornets nest so to speak. All of this accomplished in just a few short years and with a minimum amount of casualties.
True the fight continues and there is also the chance that a terrorist attack greater than 911 may occur. Yet, thanks to GW we have not run from this threat but rather taken the fight to them. If the american people attempt to hide from this fight then the attacks and damage will only increase. We have the military resources and might to end this threat what would be best for america is a unified america set to face this threat head on. Unchain the military!
/salute U.S. military
Varus
Do tell me though, do you see the attacks a sign we're succeeding or failing?
Wanna know how we know if we're succeeding or failing? Well we havn't been bombed since the twin towers, we've liberated two countries in the process of inserting ourselves into the middle of the hornets nest so to speak. All of this accomplished in just a few short years and with a minimum amount of casualties.
True the fight continues and there is also the chance that a terrorist attack greater than 911 may occur. Yet, thanks to GW we have not run from this threat but rather taken the fight to them. If the american people attempt to hide from this fight then the attacks and damage will only increase. We have the military resources and might to end this threat what would be best for america is a unified america set to face this threat head on. Unchain the military!
/salute U.S. military
Varus
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Wanna know how we know if we're succeeding or failing? Well we havn't been bombed since the twin towers, we've liberated two countries in the process of inserting ourselves into the middle of the hornets nest so to speak
This is the stupidist thing I have ever heard.
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We have the military resources and might to end this threat what would be best for america is a unified america set to face this threat head on
This is a close #2.
No wait, I think the second one is more idiotic. hmmmmmm, leave it with me, I think I need more time to decide.
Friar wrote,
"This is the stupidist thing I have ever heard. "
No I would say this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
The irony is palpable.
Varus
"This is the stupidist thing I have ever heard. "
No I would say this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
The irony is palpable.
Varus
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The irony is palpable.
Like a fly in your chardonnay, was he?
Eb
For the record, repeating a poster with /large is NOT irony.Unless you think that it is. Then that situation is ironic.
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Friar wrote,
"This is the stupidist thing I have ever heard. "
No I would say this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
The irony is palpable.
Varus
"This is the stupidist thing I have ever heard. "
No I would say this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
The irony is palpable.
Varus
Thanks, my spell checker is broken, now you are as smart as Microsoft word, congratulations.
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