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#27 Jun 19 2004 at 4:43 AM Rating: Good
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Humane is a bullsh*t term. If you know that you are going to die, the method in which death comes has no bearing.


The method has no bearing ?

Ok, you've been found guilty of a heinous crime by a tribal community. The options are being eaten to death by ants, or being shot by a dart which knocks you unconscious before it paralyzes your major organs.

Sorry. The method has a hell of a lot of bearing to me when it involves me.

When it involves others, a tragedy is still a tragedy.
#28 Jun 19 2004 at 4:53 AM Rating: Default
Ok, I know I said I would not post here again. That is sick, wrong, and absolutley burn-in-hell type offensive. I cannot imagine what kind of sick **** would make a site like that, but I hope they die a horribly slow painful death only to be brought back and made do it again. The same goes for the reporters who are now hounding this poor family. I know our "generation" in desensitized but my god, do we have to be complete incompassionate bastards to top it?? They even want the video?? Hatred is the only word I can fathom to use at this point to describe my loathing of ignorant ***** that get off on **** like that. I understand this is war, and to some he is just another casualty, but I pray for that poor man's family, and for his murderers. It is wrong in the utmost to post that kind of ****.
#29 Jun 19 2004 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, having your head cut off is so barbaric and unheard of, I mean, they never would have done that in something civilized, like, say, the French revolution?
#30 Jun 19 2004 at 9:23 AM Rating: Default
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I'm not comparing Signifigance, Every death is equally signifigant in the war on terror. What I am saying is that it's far more horrid and far more gruesome and far more invoking and inciteful. There are also a few key differences to take into account. First, Pat was a *soldier* Not a civilian. And Paul wasn't only a civilian, but he wasnt some opportunist but had lived in the ME for 10years. So yes, there is a difference.


Its better for video. That's it.

It's not a bad way to die, all things considered. Had they killed him with a weed whacker over the course of eight hours I'd be the first to say how horrible it was. Getting beheaded isn't particularly painful compared to nearly any other way of dying.
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#31 Jun 19 2004 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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Chtulhu the Quick wrote:
Yes, having your head cut off is so barbaric and unheard of, I mean, they never would have done that in something civilized, like, say, the French revolution?


Yes, beheading is barbaric. It was barbaric when the French did it with a guillotine. It is even more barbaric when it's done with a knife.

I heard the audio of Nick Berg's killing. He died horribly and in pain. If you're picturing a clean chop, then death, think again.

And Chtulhu, who ever said that the French Revolution was civilized? It was a horrific and bloody period of French history.
#32 Jun 19 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Default
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It's not "barbaric". To term it such implies a moral superiority for people who kill other people by strapping them to a chair and running electricity to it. Would it have been less "barbaric" if they had sedated him to unconciousness and then poisoned him?

It's easy to want to demonize the people as opposed to the action and terms like "barbaric" only hasten that. Killing is terrible, the method is incidental.
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#33 Jun 19 2004 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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It's not "barbaric". To term it such implies a moral superiority for people who kill other people by strapping them to a chair and running electricity to it. Would it have been less "barbaric" if they had sedated him to unconciousness and then poisoned him?

It's easy to want to demonize the people as opposed to the action and terms like "barbaric" only hasten that. Killing is terrible, the method is incidental.


I do believe it's barbaric. And I don't know how you figure a condemnation of these beheadings is any sort of condonement for capital punishment.

Would it have been less barbaric to have sedated him? Yes, if only a little less, because he would have been spared the excruciating pain of having someone saw through his neck.


Killing is terrible. The method is only incidental if you factor out pain and humiliation.
#34 Jun 19 2004 at 3:56 PM Rating: Default
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Being beheaded isn't a very painful way to die.
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#35 Jun 19 2004 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
Being beheaded isn't a very painful way to die.


I think you're still picturing a guillotine or a swift axe chop. Really, Nick Berg's bone-chilling screams is evidence that it was painful.
#36 Jun 19 2004 at 4:05 PM Rating: Default
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No, I don't think any event where it takes you ten seconds or less to die is going to qualify as a particularly painfull method.
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#37 Jun 19 2004 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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mmmm just out of curiosity, you know its not a very painful way to die how? You havent experienced it I would assume, so there is no personal information you would know better than me. On account of having a knife not just behead you, but saw through your neck while you are still painfully alive and not sedated Im going to assume a little bit that it would hurt more than anything anyone here has ever experianced. Just my imagination but there it is.

This is so tragic and disgusting. I dont know how this is ever going to be stopped fully, but someting needs to be done soon one way or another. :(
#38 Jun 19 2004 at 4:13 PM Rating: Default
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mmmm just out of curiosity, you know its not a very painful way to die how?


By the power of deductive reasoning. If you're dead five seconds after the pain the starts, that's going to be better than, lets say getting shot in the gut and slowly bleeding to death over a few days.

How can it possibly be described as "painfull" if you die almost instnatly??

By your argument all methods of dying are equally painful as no one can tell us how it felt, being dead and all.

In that case it's clearly no worse of a way to die than any other.

Edited, Sat Jun 19 17:15:11 2004 by Smasharoo
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#39 Jun 19 2004 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
How about those pictures of guys that get into motorcycle accidents, get their faces ripped off and live, that has to be worse.
#40 Jun 19 2004 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
hmm i think the worse way to die would be having water drip on your forehead untill it drilled thru your head. or having your limbs cut off, and left to bleed to death. that would prolly suck.

anyways, how the hell do u know it isnt a bad way to die? have u ever been beheaded? i didnt think so. im sure any way to die, other than to die of natural causes is really crappy. wait, im sure dieing of natural causes sucks too, cuz your f*ing dead.
#41 Jun 19 2004 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
We all know that the only way to go, is to die of a heart attack in the saddle. Thats why all old men are "dirty".

Edited, Sat Jun 19 19:04:33 2004 by Reinman
#42 Jun 19 2004 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Friar Reinman wrote:
We all know that the only way to go, is to die of a heart attack in the saddle. Thats why all old men are "dirty".


Hence the term, "coming and going"
#43 Jun 19 2004 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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All I know is that I'd like to die like my father did -peacefully in his sleep, rather than screaming in terror like his passengers.

#44 Jun 19 2004 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not comparing Signifigance, Every death is equally signifigant in the war on terror. What I am saying is that it's far more horrid and far more gruesome and far more invoking and inciteful. There are also a few key differences to take into account. First, Pat was a *soldier* Not a civilian. And Paul wasn't only a civilian, but he wasnt some opportunist but had lived in the ME for 10years. So yes, there is a difference.



So you'd have the same feelings about some Iraqi guy that had nothing to do with the war but was killed by a bombing or was an innocent bystander in a firefight?

Just curious.

On to the topic: It's terrible, but sadly, it's also not newsworthy to this extent.

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#45 Jun 19 2004 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Chtulhu the Quick wrote:
Yes, having your head cut off is so barbaric and unheard of, I mean, they never would have done that in something civilized, like, say, the French revolution?


Yes, beheading is barbaric. It was barbaric when the French did it with a guillotine. It is even more barbaric when it's done with a knife.

I heard the audio of Nick Berg's killing. He died horribly and in pain. If you're picturing a clean chop, then death, think again.

And Chtulhu, who ever said that the French Revolution was civilized? It was a horrific and bloody period of French history.


You obviously haven't heard the Nick Berg audio, he makes absolutely no sound in it. I've watched the video more than 30 times, trying to discern if he was dead before or after his head was cut off. He was most definately dead beforehand.

Being beheaded is hardly barbaric. Even if your head is sawed off, it's not going to be more painful than a myriad of other ways to die.

You realize that most of the nerves will be killed when your head is sawed off, and you won't feel anywhere near as much pain as a superficial wound. Deep wounds are often a dull pain, or an extreme ache, but they won't hurt as much as, say, having your skin cut off.


So yes, being beheaded is a civil thing. It's a relatively painless way to die. When I die, being beheaded is on my list of OK ways to go.
#46 Jun 19 2004 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
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How about having each of your fingernails and toenails slowly ripped off?
#47 Jun 19 2004 at 9:15 PM Rating: Good
I was replying to the thread about the beheading in the OOT forum, and this struck me...

Now all the twisted Fu[b][/b]cks won't have to buy snuff flicks. Wait a minute, do you think these videos could save lives?
#48 Jun 19 2004 at 11:39 PM Rating: Good
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You obviously haven't heard the Nick Berg audio


I wish I hadn't heard it, but I did. Out here in LA they played it on the radio (KFI, John and Ken Show, about 3PM the day after the story broke). I heard it. It was awful.
#49 Jun 19 2004 at 11:41 PM Rating: Good
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I've watched the video more than 30 times


You should seek professional help.
#50 Jun 19 2004 at 11:44 PM Rating: Decent
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do you think these videos could save lives?


Nope, because money still rules our lives. As long as the offer is high enough, some contracter will fly some men over to these countries to try and re-build while only managing to get them captured and beheaded.

I know what the tapes have taught me: When beheading civilians to evoke emotion, use dull blades so as to make the execution long and painful. If after one beheading you have not recieved adequate response nor taught your message completely, you must repeat as necessary.
#51 Jun 20 2004 at 1:15 AM Rating: Good
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Nope, because money still rules our lives. As long as the offer is high enough, some contracter will fly some men over to these countries to try and re-build while only managing to get them captured and beheaded.


I meant in the snuff film industry, those people in the middle-east are already dead long before they ever make the film. But with all these beheading films floating around, who is going to pay mega bucks to get some good snuff films made in the US. The muslims are giving it away for free.

You need to kill someone to have a snuff film you know. Of course I think most snuff films are more sexually motivated than are the ones the muslims are putting out, not that I have ever seen one. I saw 8mm though.
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