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#77 Jun 20 2004 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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Is there a slant? Yes.

But what i think is that Bush/Cheney were saying there were Al-Qaeda/Iraq ties and just letting people assume that it was also to do with 9/11. They didnt go out of there way to mention that Iraq had nothing do with 9/11 or any other Al-Qaeda attack anywhere else until they were called on it.

Both sides have a slant and it will always be there, just a matter of skimming the real situation out of it from both sides.
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#78 Jun 25 2004 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent
#79 Jun 25 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, Stok, you've posted one too many Washington Times articles, it's time for the "know who you're quoting" lecture.

Do you know who owns the Washington times?

This crazy ******

The Reverned Sun Myung Moon. Religous whacko fu[b][/b]ckbag of the first order. He directly influences editorial content. The news conent is specfically geared towards the right wing. There is no objective reporting at all. It's not like the NY Times which has a left slant or the WSJ which has a right slant. It's all right wing whacko, all the time.

I didn't read the article, so I'm not going to comment on it, but keep in mind that the more you post links to it, the more I suspect you of being a Moonie.

Edited, Fri Jun 25 14:53:05 2004 by Smasharoo
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#80 Jun 25 2004 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
Check out numerous sources there Smasharoo, the Times was the last article in the list of links. But don't read it, because then you wouldn't have to defend the Liberal side of the arguement.
#81 Jun 25 2004 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Defend the argument? It's from a flawed indictment. It's old, old, old news.

I see no other sources, help me out with a link to any Non Washington times story, please.
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#82 Jun 25 2004 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
Here are the sources.

The Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), December 28, 1999.

Iraq tempts bin Laden to attack West
Exclusive. By: Ian Bruce, Geopolitics Editor.

THE world's most wanted man, Osama bin Laden, has been offered sanctuary in Iraq if his worldwide terrorist network succeeds in carrying out a campaign of high-profile attacks on the West ...

Now we are also facing the prospect of an unholy alliance between bin Laden and Saddam. The implications are terrifying.

"We might be looking at the most wanted man on the FBI's target list gaining access to chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons courtesy of Iraq's clandestine research programmes."

The U.S. intelligence community has been squeezing bin Laden's finances steadily for several years. His personal fortune of anything up to £500m has been whittled down to single figures ...

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U.S. Newswire, December 23, 1999.

Terrorism Expert Reveals Why Osama bin Laden has Declared War On America; Available for Comment in Light of Predicted Attacks.

... (author Yossef) Bodansky also reveals the relationship between bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and how the U.S. bombing of Iraq is "strengthening the hands of militant Islamists eager to translate their rage into violence and terrorism." ....

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The Observer. December 19, 1999.

Sanctions reviewed in West as Saddam wields sword of Islam

The Iraqi dictator has rejected a UN deal to lift sanctions. The Western blockade, far from toppling the regime, has bolstered it. He's ditched the sunglasses and taken up the Koran to harness the fervour of fundamentalists.

By: Jason Burke, in Baghdad

... This time last year the U.S. claimed that another delegation had met Osama bin Laden, the alleged terrorist mastermind and tried to woo him to Iraq.

Senior officials claim that the Islamisation programme is an attempt to defuse the threat of Islamic militancy rather than encourage it ...

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United Press International. November 3, 1999, Wednesday, BC cycle.

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government has tried to prevent accused terror suspect Osama bin Laden from fleeing Afghanistan to either Iraq or Chechnya, Michael Sheehan, head of counter-terrorism at the State Department, told a Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee ...

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Akron Beacon Journal (Ohio). October 31, 1999. Sunday 1 STAR EDITION.

BIN LADEN SPOTTED AFTER OFFER TO LEAVE
By: From Beacon Journal wire services

DATELINE: JALALABAD, AFGHANISTAN:

... The Taliban has since made it known through official channels that the likely destination is Iraq.

A Clinton administration official said bin Laden's request "falls far short" of the UN resolution that the Taliban deliver him for trial....

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The Kansas City Star. March 2, 1999, Tuesday.

International terrorism, a conflict without boundaries

By Rich Hood

... He (bin Laden) has a private fortune ranging from $250 million to $500 million and is said to be cultivating a new alliance with Iraq's Saddam Hussein, who has biological and chemical weapons bin Laden would not hesitate to use. An alliance between bin Laden and Saddam Hussein could be deadly. Both men are united in their hatred for the United States and any country friendly to the United States....

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Los Angeles Times. February 23, 1999, Tuesday, Home Edition.
SECTION: Metro; Part B; Page 6; Letters Desk.
HEADLINE: OSAMA BIN LADEN

Where is Osama bin Laden (Feb. 14)? That should be the U.S.'s main priority. If as rumored he and Saddam Hussein are joining forces, it could pose a threat making Hitler and Mussolini seem like a sideshow....

#83 Jun 25 2004 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, it's five years old.

It's not news. It's the W Times trying to make something out of nothing. That would be why in 2004 they're the only one carrying the "story".

We've talked about the indicment before and how inaccurate it was.
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#84 Jun 25 2004 at 3:41 PM Rating: Excellent
This thread was about the Liberal Slant in the media and when solid proof is provided that there is a slant you throw away the evidence that supports a sub topic that was a supposed link to OBL and Saddam during the Clinton years. The media was all over a OBL and Iraq link 5 years ago and now that the Bush is making the claim you and the rest of your slant are saying those news stories are irrelevant. Your revisionist style of history even in the face of facts from various stories is bogus Smash.

edited for: misspelling

Edited, Fri Jun 25 16:42:16 2004 by Stok
#85 Jun 25 2004 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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What the hell are you talking about?

The indictment was proven inaccurate in about 2000.

If I post some proof of that will you apologize and admit you were trying to use a whacko right wing source to leverage an argument about the left wing bias in the media??

Seriously, this story is the wrong way to go. Justice got it wrong. They later PUBLICLY STATED they got it wrong. The media was all over it before it was realized it was wrong.

The W times is still all over it apparently, facts be dammed.

Let me know if you really want to persue this insanity.
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#86 Jun 25 2004 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:

Seriously, this story is the wrong way to go. Justice got it wrong. They later PUBLICLY STATED they got it wrong. The media was all over it before it was realized it was wrong.


Hmmm... That sound familiar? Let me put this in your words:


OMG! During the Clinton administration, they allowed the media to believe that Al-queda and Iraq were working together. But now, they are saying that they really weren't working together afterall. But it's not their fault. It was the media who was "all over it before it was realized it was wrong"

Sound familiar at all Smash? That's the *exact* argument you are using to slam the Bush administration. You are saying that because they didn't actively prevent the media from printing information that later turned out to be incorrect, that they are somehow responsible.

The "slant" I'm pointing out is that after it was realized that the initial reports were incorrect, the media didn't slam the Clinton administration back in 2000 for it, or try really hard to find inconsistencies (OMG! They didn't deny a connection back then, and now they're saying one doesn't exist. They lied to us!!! really!).
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#87 Jun 26 2004 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
WOW a thread started by Gbaji about Democrats, isnt he the same guy who said Democrats and not Republicans started all the **** in the forum.... ya thought so, drive thru all old hat, do I really need to go into why most current Republicans are dumbasses again <sigh>
#88 Jun 26 2004 at 5:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm... That sound familiar? Let me put this in your words:
OMG! During the Clinton administration, they allowed the media to believe that Al-queda and Iraq were working together. But now, they are saying that they really weren't working together afterall. But it's not their fault. It was the media who was "all over it before it was realized it was wrong"


Put the crack pipe down, son. That's not even vaguely simmilar to the Bush administration intentionaly putting forth a story they knew was false. Barring clairvoyance, there was no way for the Clinton administration to know the indictment was false. Justice screwed up and when they realized it, they let people know.



Sound familiar at all Smash? That's the *exact* argument you are using to slam the Bush administration. You are saying that because they didn't actively prevent the media from printing information that later turned out to be incorrect, that they are somehow responsible.


No, they're responsible because they put forth information THEY KNEW to be false and did everything they could to see that it made into the press.

That makes them responsible.


The "slant" I'm pointing out is that after it was realized that the initial reports were incorrect, the media didn't slam the Clinton administration back in 2000 for it, or try really hard to find inconsistencies (OMG! They didn't deny a connection back then, and now they're saying one doesn't exist. They lied to us!!! really!).


Are you people logically challanged? Is that it? Is like a learning disability or something? The Clinton administration didn't deny a connection because it appeared at the time there was one. When it was discovered that it was a mistake they said "hey, that was mistake" The Bush administration started with an idea that had no factual basis, pushed it through their freindly media outlets, and still won't clarify that it was innacurrate without qualifying it.

It's not even VAGUELY simmilar.
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#89 Jun 26 2004 at 6:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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When it was discovered that it was a mistake they said "hey, that was mistake"...


Would you show us where this was stated by the Clinton Administration that they made a mistake about the Saddam and Al Qaeda connection. Thanks.
#90 Jun 26 2004 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Would you show us where this was stated by the Clinton Administration that they made a mistake about the Saddam and Al Qaeda connection. Thanks.


If I do, wil you admit to being wrong and misled by a right wing whacko newspaper?

Because otherwise it's a waste of my time when you could research it yourself.
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#91 Jun 26 2004 at 6:41 PM Rating: Excellent
Now you know me better than that. I am man enough to admit a mistake I have no pledged loyalties to either side in these discussions.

Edited, Sat Jun 26 19:41:33 2004 by Stok
#92 Jun 26 2004 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't easily find it, the web is choked with 911 material.

You can take my word for it, or I'll yeild the argument, whatever makes you happy. I personally remember someone from Justice standing at a podium stating that they no longer thought the Iraq connection was valid, but finding that one press release is more effort than I feel like expending.

Assuming I'm remembering it incorrectly and it never happened, we're talking about a link that's over 11 years old. Hardly relevant to 911. The US had links with Bin Laden during the Regan years, does that make us complicit?
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#93 Jun 26 2004 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm hearing the sounds of tap dancing.

We used to be in a cold war with the "Russians(I know they where the USSR then)" does that still make us enemies?

I have done a search utilizing multiple variables and have not seen hide nor hair of such a retraction, one would believe that news of this matter would be more than a press release.

But who knows you could be going down the right rabbit trail.
#94 Jun 26 2004 at 7:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I said I'll yeild it. I will.

Do you really think an 11 year old line item from an indictment is valid, though?
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#95 Jun 26 2004 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
You know something, I used to watch the news all the time and read articles on the net and read the stories that were being published in the Times, Newsweek, etc, etc......Pretty much I just got tired of all the B.S. It got to the point where I started getting bored of it all. What I'm trying to say here, is this........if you pay attention to news for long enough you will realize that everything starts repeating itself and that in itself is sad..........
#96 Jun 26 2004 at 9:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, that's deep, man.

Have another bong hit for me.
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