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#27 Jun 16 2004 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Funny how when I whup your butt, you suddenly don't want to play anymore...

Take your toys elsewhere if you want. That's you choice.


No, Smash has more patience than me for "special" people.

Bob bless his soul.

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#28 Jun 16 2004 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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"Second string", pffft, I'm just not sufficiantly motivated most of the time.

Bush stands by al Qaeda, Saddam link

Bush: Afghanistan is a victory over terrorism

9/11 panel: Al Qaeda planned to hijack 10 planes

Cheney Claims al-Qaida Linked to Saddam

CIA Restricts One-Third of U.S. Senate WMD Report

As I have been accused of biased cut and paste I'll let you do the hard work and read it but don't think you can ******** your way out of it. The evidence is in there.

Bush administration has used 27 rationales for war in Iraq, study says

This one may be considered biased, don't know.

Edited, Wed Jun 16 19:20:09 2004 by GitSlayer
#29 Jun 16 2004 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent

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Really don't need to read you biased cut and paste to do that,...
You hypocrite. You are the first to throw stones at me supposedly cut and pasting biased segments of articles then you have the balls to come back with this ****.

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As I have been accused of biased cut and paste I'll let you do the hard work and read it but don't think you can bullsh*t your way out of it...


You really need to get a grip on reality, your attention span is slipping a bit ol' Git.
#30 Jun 16 2004 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
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Typical Stok, when you are losing the argument you resort to ad hominem attacks.
#31 Jun 16 2004 at 7:21 PM Rating: Good
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Ok.

GitSlayer wrote:
"Second string", pffft, I'm just not sufficiantly motivated most of the time.


Bush stands by al Qaeda, Saddam link

This just repeats what we've already been talking about. Nothing about Iraq being responsible for 9/11. Just that Iraq has had dealing with Al-queda in the past, and harbored a senior Al-queda member *after* the start of actions in Afghanistan.

Bush: Afghanistan is a victory over terrorism

This one doesn't even ention Iraq.

9/11 panel: Al Qaeda planned to hijack 10 planes

This mentions a statement made by Cheny. I'd love to see the context and full statement though. It also makes some "unusual" turns of phrase. Example:

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The panel said it found "no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

The report contradicts statements from the Bush administration that Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda.


The statement is about the 9/11 panel concluding no connection between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks. Yet the next paragraph then says that this contradicts statements that "Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda". Um... No it doesnt.

Here's the strawman again. Just because Iraq wasn't involved in 9/11 does *not* mean that they did not have ties to Al-queda. Yet here is a report once again comiting a huge logical fallacy and passing it off as evidence of wrongdoing.

I used to know a guy. I went to the movies with him (and a group of friends). I even went to his house once and met his wife. One day, he snapped, took a shotgun and killed his wife, his mother in law, and his infant child.

I had "ties" to this person. I was *not* involved in the deaths of three people. Get it?

Cheney Claims al-Qaida Linked to Saddam

Again. What's the problem here? yet another story about how Cheny said that Iraq had "ties" with Al-quedas. Um... They did. Wait! He said: "Long Established Ties". Is 1994 long enough? Considering that the US government wasn't officially aware of the existence of Al-queda until 1998, I'd say that discovering high level meetings took place between Iraq and them in 1994 is enough to warrant the statements Cheny made.

CIA Restricts One-Third of U.S. Senate WMD Report

Not sure what this has to do with anything. Unles you just assume that everything marked "Top Secret" is so designated just to keep the Democrats from discovering "the truth" about Saddam's connections to terror. There isn't even a mention of Al-queda in this story.

As I have been accused of biased cut and paste I'll let you do the hard work and read it but don't think you can ******** your way out of it. The evidence is in there.

Yes. You've done that. But you've also shown an absolute inability to read a news story and understand what it's really saying. As evidenced by your linkking a half dozen news articles when not one of themm supports your argument.

Bush administration has used 27 rationales for war in Iraq, study says


This one may be considered biased, don't know.



Well. I haven't read the actual study, and once again, there is *no* mention of the connection between Iraq and Al-queda in this link, but this bit caught my eye.

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Largio also discovered that it was the media that initiated discussions about Iraq, introducing ideas before the administration and congressional leaders did about the intentions of that country and its leader. The media also “brought the idea that Iraq may be connected to the 9-11 incident to the forefront, asking questions of the officials on the topic and printing articles about the possibility.”



Wow. I've been saying that for months now... Thatnks for digging up a source that agrees with me Git.

I'm still waiting for something that supports your position. Anything?
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#32 Jun 16 2004 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
ROFLMAO. Ok Git. I won't post the stuff I was going to because Gbaji just did a good job supporting my same arguements.
#33 Jun 16 2004 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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Innuendo, outright lying and subterfuge are Bush and CO. trademark. Now go ahead and twist my quotes as Smash said "I am done with you."

Bush stands by al Qaeda, Saddam link
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"Zarqawi's the best evidence of a connection to al Qaeda affiliates and al Qaeda," Bush told reporters at the White House. "He's the person who's still killing."

U.S. intelligence officials have said al Qaeda had some links to Iraq dating back to the early 1990s, but the nature and extent of those contacts is a matter of dispute....

...In September, after Cheney asserted that Iraq had been "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11," Bush acknowledged there was no evidence that Saddam's government was connected to those attacks.


9/11 panel: Al Qaeda planned to hijack 10 planes
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In February 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the United Nations that Iraq was harboring Zarqawi, a "collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda lieutenants," and he said Iraq's denials of ties to al Qaeda "are simply not credible."

In September, Cheney said Iraq had been "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."


Cheney Claims al-Qaida Linked to Saddam
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Vice President **** Cheney said Saddam Hussein had "long-established ties" with al Qaida, an assertion that has been repeatedly challenged by some policy experts and lawmakers.

The vice president on Monday offered no details backing up his claim of a link between Saddam and al Qaida.


"He was a patron of terrorism," Cheney said of Hussein during a speech before The James Madison Institute, a conservative think-tank based in Florida. "He had long established ties with al Qaida."


In making the case for war in Iraq, Bush administration officials frequently cited what they said were Saddam's decade-long contacts with al-Qaida operatives. They stopped short of claiming that Iraq was directly involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, but critics say Bush officials left that impression with the American public....


#34 Jun 16 2004 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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Innuendo, outright lying and subterfuge are Bush and CO. trademark. Now go ahead and twist my quotes as Smash said "I am done with you."


Git. Do you know what "innuendo" means? It's when you imply a meaning into something that isn't there. Kinda like writing a news report where all the facts say one thing, but you spend the first 10 paragraphs talking about the allegations against the facts instead.


Those are nice quotes Git. But what exactly are you trying to prove? I thought your position was that the Bush administration has made claims that Iraq was somehow involved in the 9/11 atttacks.

Your "proof" consists of quotes from Bush administration officials stating that Iraq had "ties" with Al-queda, and harbored some Al-queda members after we invaded Afghanistan. I don't see anything from any Bush administration official saying: "Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attacks".

There is *one* quote (this is what I was referring to in my last post btw), that comes close:


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...In September, after Cheney asserted that Iraq had been "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11," Bush acknowledged there was no evidence that Saddam's government was connected to those attacks.



The problem is that the only actual quote is this: "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11,". The news story puts the words "Irag had been" in front of that quote, but it's clear that some of the quote was edited out, and it's clear also that this was a snippet from the midde of a sentance.


I would *really* like to see the full transcript of the actual source for that quote. It would allow us to actually see to what degree Cheny was talking about Iraq in relation to 9/11. Was he saying that Iraq was a geographical base for those who made the 9/11 assualts? Or was Iraq just mentioned somewhere in the preceding part of the sentance? We can't tell from that quote.



Nothing else in any of the links you supplied profices any support for the assertion that the Bush administration claimed that Iraq was involved with the 9/11 attacks. You really need to do better then this.
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#35 Jun 16 2004 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
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Damn. Found it: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html


Cheney wrote:
If we are successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good, representative government in Iraq that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11



It's obvious from this quote that the "geographical base" he's talking about it the middle east in general. Securing Iraq strikes a blow at "the heart of the base, if you will, he geographical base...". Iraq is in the "heart" of the Middle East. He's not saying that Iraq was the geographical base for the terrorists who performed the 9/11 attacks. He's saying that the Middle east is, and that by removing Iraq as a weapons producer and supplier in that region, we reduce the ability of those terrorists to attack us in the future.


Yup. Horrible misquote... And you still don't think there's a slant in the media?
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