Well, it sure took, a lot of left wing lies, but we did it..Follow

"everyone's estimation" as in everyone in the US Defense Department and the Generals that helped form the strategy?

Or "everone's estimation" at the water cooler where you work?

I just to make sure I know who the everyone is, when you stated "everyone's estimation".

Or are you using "everyone's estimation" as in every living sole at the time the decision was made to include Gbaji, Totem and myself?

:)

See this is subjective, "immediately after 9-11" depends on how much time is considered "immediately after 9-11". If you mean 6 months then yes I agree with you. If you mean 1 year still quite a good probability that I would consider it "immediately after 9-11". But 1.5 years that may be on the fringe of being "immediately after 9-11".

We live in a dynamic world and my belief is that even in the military we have Generals and Admirals with ego's the size of Texas that would have said..."We can go into Iraq, with out jeapordizing the efforts in Afghanistan, about 1.5 years after 9-11." Of course this is solely my opinion, others may agree thought.

We have a drink called a "Cram Session" for the college students, I strongly recommend not drinking 6 shots of espresso after 6 pm, especially after consuming other caffiene related products during the day. On another side not a "HOT" looking Redhead College Girl applied for a part-time job. Hmmmmmm.

Edited, Sat Jun 12 20:51:07 2004 by Stok

You make me laugh, really, Fishtaco. You accuse me of being a parrot when all you do, my dear friend, is spout left wing rhetoric. Fact of the matter is, both sides have their own lies and political rhetoric.

Here's the difference though...

Republican/Conservative way of thinking has us safe. Have there been any attacks since 9/11 on US soil? *Knocks on wood* Why? Because we've been kicking *** and taking names. We're safer now, and you cannot dispute that.

Liberal/Democratic way of thinking would have us cowering behind our borders, patting the Frenchies on the back while terrorists ammassed large forces and planned attacks. We would, in essence, be allowing attacks to occur because the terrorists and "evil" (and I use that term loosly, by the way) countries would have nothing to fear and nothing to hold them back.

I ask you, would you rather us be out in Iraq or would you prefer the possibility of a second 9/11?

I rest my case.

Edited, Sun Jun 13 01:56:30 2004 by GGIII

Smasharoo this is typical of a dem. One of the things that pisses me off the most...

This war IS NOT VIETNAM.

This war IS NOT WORLD WAR TWO

This war IS UNLIKE ANY BEFORE IT

Frankly, Im not suprised since you do spout useless nonsense, but really. Im ashamed you (and others) would be stupid enough to make comparisons like these. Point out to me how Iraq is like WWII, please.

Stupid Lib cowards. Go pat your Frenchies on the head and keep telling yourself your helping our country.

Edited, Sun Jun 13 02:15:17 2004 by GGIII

Israels situation is not like our own. We're on foreign soil chasing terorist networks half a world away. Were making pre-emtive strikes so that terrorist acts do not occur. The Israelies are fighting over land and IN RESPONSE to terrorist attacks.

Once again, thank you for a poorly written post. Oh, and you didnt provide me with reasons the Iraq War and WWII were similar. Im still waiting.

Idiot

Edited, Sun Jun 13 02:24:42 2004 by GGIII

I really am ashamed of you now. Honestly. You would consider your own country as on par with **** Germany? You. Disgust. Me. Go. To. Hell. And. Burn.

I refuse to chat further with you my "friend" for you are an uneducated sack of **** who does not deserve my time and effort typing.

You, sir, are pathetic. Really. Go hug a Frenchie. Your a disgrace.

And as always, idiot.

Edited, Sun Jun 13 02:35:45 2004 by GGIII

So we have GGIII, a holier than thou racist, who can't make a point on his own, so he just says that whatever the other person says is wrong.


Seriously. All you've done is repeat what others have said, made racist comments regarding the French, and told other people they were wrong.


On top of it, you've sunken so low as to result to personal insults to attempt to make a nonexistant point. "Liberals are stupid retards" is not a valid point. It's an opinion.



My opinions on the matter have all been stated already by others. I don't have anything to argue.


I just wanted to say that you can't debate worth a crap.

I stand corrected, then.

Evidence of what has not panned out Fishtaco? Evidence that Saddam Hussien was not harboring terrorists of any type? Evidence that Iraq was not part of the plot to assassinate Bush Sr.? Evidence that Iraq did not have terrorist training camps established on Iraqi soil?

So what you are telling us is that the UN and the US where wrong about Iraq being a state that sponsored terrorism?

Would you please show me where it says the 3 facts above are wrong?

Thanks and have a nice day.

No not desperate at all. Go view the first source in the links provided on other page. These are facts by some pretty reliable sources, IMHO.

Nah, statutes of limitations has probably run out for that action ;)

Oh ya one more question did we ever find all those WMD your links "prove" exist in Iraq?

flishtaco - I'm wondering when you are actually going to add anything of importance to this conversation. There are several posters that have been participating in an debate with little anymosity toward each other, yet you are extremely antogonistic and berating to the people of the other side. Below are all the posts that you have made concerning this topic that have been discussed from the other side in a decent manner, what excuse do you have for not replying back in a civilized manner. You requested facts and they where presented, yet in your retort you criticize and call Stok a parrot for displaying facts that are very difficult to refute. If this is the way that the liberal side of the arguement wants to be represented then I say please continue.

And the most foolish thing you did was to start another Last thread and make this statement:


This entire childish episode of following Smasharoo around, not providing any facts yourself, insulting the posters that are providing facts, makes me wonder if all you are is an adolescent who wants to copy Smasharoo's style or you are nothing but a "sock puppet". I would wager you are the first though, because most sock puppets are smarter than you.

We made Afgahnistan safe I must missed that one looks to me like we abandoned it for something more fashionable, easier and with more long term profit. I hate to keep emphasizing this but too many of you cant read or have hands on your ears, saying "I cant hear you." That I must again repeat.

Pre and post 9/11 the countries with the most Al-queda influence were Afgahnistan, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Chechneya. So far we have managed to spend like 150,000,000,000 on a country we are SURE had no influence on 9/11. Might as well say the evil dictator in Chile( no I have idea who rules Chile) did for what we have accomplished in fighting terrorism, WMD or our humanitarian efforts.

When the next attack comes and we have spent all the money we should have been spending in actually setting up air defenses shore defenses or border defenses on making some fat cat richer. Or we should have been spending it in actually FIGHTING @#%^ING TERRORISM, I hope its in your city.
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Stok, since your and Gbajis argument seem to be that spending 150 billion with more on the way in attacking Iraq are somehow fighting and stopping terrorists please provide some evidence or shut the hell up. So far all you do is provide the typical Republican rhetoric. If you want to be the poor mans gbaji and endlessly post when you are beaten over the head by all the evidence feel free, if you want to debate it show me where Iraq can in anyway shape or form be seen as fighting terrorism.

If you cannot see the use of preventing boats from blowing things up by protecting our shores, or in preventing people from entering from the pourous Mexican or Canadian borders into the United States to blow things up then it probably is useless to ask you for any defense but none the less feel free to attempt it.

Its not like Al-queda has ever used a boat to blow something up before hmmm USS Cole anyone?____________________________________________________________________
ROFL, like you said we cant prevent all terrorism, in your wisdom you have chosen to support a government that chooses to try and prevent no terrorism or as little as possible by attacking the wrong guy and the wrong areas.

I would respond that we should be trying to prevent as much terrorism as possible wherever and whenever possible.

You apparently are in favor of not doing that but want to chant rhetoric that makes you seem like that is what you are doing while ignoring as many terrorist threats as possible. Nothing new same line as the administration uses.

Your turn to "ask for a cracker" parrot.
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lol funny that all your sources are from the prewar propaganda fest that has now been laughed out as no evidence of any of this has ever panned out.

Squwak for me again parrort. _____________________________________________________________________
Muhamed doesnt need to come to the mountain when the mountain comes to him. You ask me where terrorist activity has occured it is simple they are attacking the US in the middle east why waste the money on a plane ticket or boat ride when you have so many targets of opportunity close to home.

Of people who make me laugh you are joining the club, are you a Jimmy Buffet fan cause I havent seen so many parrotheads in a while.

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lol I am suprised you can hear anything running around with your hands over your ears and chanting I can hear you like a 5 year old.

Are you a Jimmy Buffet fan by any chance? ___________________________________________________________________
Oh ya one more question did we ever find all those WMD your links "prove" exist in Iraq?___________________________________________________________________