Was WW2 an "ok" war? Guess what? "The poor" mostly fought that one too. The issue isn't about the poor. It's about why we went to Iraq, and the misconceptions many people have about those reasons. Who's fighting is irrelevant. Until there's some major social change which I don't forsee in the immediate future, "the poor" will always fight and die in disproportionate numbers to "the rich" in wars. Noting about Iraq is different in that regard, so the statement is irrelevant.
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What kills me is the number of middle-class (and even poor)that think they benefit from the Republican machinery (and I'm not saying that the Democrats are any better, their evil machinations just aren't as cynical or sophisticated). When you get drafted (and you better hope Bush doesn't win...hey it could happen, ask a Vietnam vet) and sent to die on a fool's errand we'll see what you have to say. When you retire and they take away your hard-earned benefits we'll see what you have to say. And so on...
If you want to debate Republican vs Democrate economic plans, I'm more then willing to do so. Start a new thread.
Has it occured to you that maybe those "poor" who are Republicans are right? After all, there's roughly the same number of Reps and Dems in the country. If it was soo obvious that one party was "better", then that simply wouldn't be the case. Maybe we Reps understand something that you just don't get? Ever think about that?...
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We did a good and just thing for the poor - read as the common people - of Iraq by removing Hussein (the true motivation for doing so is immaterial).
Since when were "the common people" all poor? Again. That's rhetoric designed to draw a group into a feel-good position that makes them think they're somehow morally superior. Look. There are lots of people. There is a whole spectrum of economic levels. Most people fall somewhere in the middle between rich and poor.
And again. The Iraq war had *nothing* to do with helping the poor. You didn't have to be poor to be arrested and tortured in Iraq under Saddam. You just had to be of the wrong persuasion, or say the wrong thing, or have someone claim you said the wrong things. That may fly in the face of your "brotherhood of poor" coalition you seem to be trying to form here, but it's not just poor people who are oppressed around the world.
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Sadly there are many people that think the way you do. Those that are unable to empathize with those less fortunate than themselves. They possess the brash confidence of the untested, inexperienced, and intensely self-absorbed.
Huh? I'm 35 years old. I've had a pretty diverse field of experiences in my life. This is not brash confidence of an inexperienced person speaking. It's the comments of someone who's spent a long time thinking about politics, and who's discussed politics, strategy, and every other topic under the sun with a wide assortment of people from a wide assortment of backrounds. But my opinion doesn't count because I'm not serving in the military?
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Your ridiculous characterization of my commentary on the relevance of the poor as "out of leftfield," illustrates my point (about people that think the way you seem to) more eloquently than I ever could. All wars pit the poor v. the poor. How out of touch with reality are you? And the rich always make a profit on it. You can bank on that.
It's irrelevant because it is. Deal with it.
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If you aren't a soldier, how can you look at yourself in the mirror knowing that there are women out there doing more to implement your ideology than you are. Put your fat a$$ where your mouth is. Odds are, you've never done one damn thing to protect your own family or ensure the continued existence of the civil rights that you exercise daily.
They generally don't let 35 year old people join up moron.
I've had the business end of a shotgun held to the back of my head by a guy who was very high on drugs and very pissed off at someone (not me. I just happened to be in the wrong place). I managed to talk him and his friends out of killing me and my girlfriend at the time. We don't all have the luxury of carrying firearms and operating in a unit where we know someone's covering our backs and keeping us safe. Don't even pretend that serving makes you any more qualified to discuss anything about politics, or somehow makes you more mature, or worldly, or experienced at life.
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And one more thing, you soft-bellied, cherry-a$$, educated-beyond-your-intellect, broke-d*ck: you keep swimming in that small pond. Stay in that gated community. Keep sending those kids to private school. Keep tinkering with the rules of the game to give your weak-willed and weak-minded children a cushion to fall on. Because if you or they ever come out here in in our ocean, we're going to eat you alive. You can bank on that too.
Ah yes. All us "rich folks" grew up with a damn silver spoon in our mouths. Sure... Look. You know nothing about me. My life is the result of my choices and my actions. You need to stop sitting there wallowing in your own pity and protesting that the freaking world is "unfair" and doesn't give you a break.
I've been homeless. I've lived on the street. I've been unemployed. I've had my fair share of "adventures" during my life (and a hell of a lot of good stories to boot!). I was given *nothing* by my family. Every single thing I have today I earned with my own two hands.
So I don't want to hear about you sitting there boo hooing about how life is unfair. You make of your life what you want. You decide. You work hard. You achieve. I'm sorry if you thought that joining the military was a free ticket out of poverty, and you're now pissed that Uncle Sam expects you to pay for it after all. That's just too damn bad. But I simply do not have any respect for someone who expects to get something for nothing. Not ever. You made the choice. You live with it.
Sheesh. You're freaking pathetic.
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