http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/04/27/young.killing/index.html
A 12-year-old boy was arrested Tuesday in Carrollton, Georgia, and charged in the killing of an 8-year-old girl whose body was found in a wooded area, authorities said.
Firslty, it's Georgia. I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time.
It was not immediately known if authorities would seek to have the boy tried as an adult.
What moron originated this practice of being arbitrarily able to try children as "adults"? Why have laws relating to the age of people who commit crimes at all then? What's the point? Isn't the whole idea of children being subject to less harsh penalties because they're too young to be held accountable. Why is it if the crime is particularly graphic (or more often a particularly god PR opportunity) that suddenly age is unimportant.
The implication here, of course, is that a twelve year old who brutally rapes and murders a five year old is vastly more mature that one who plays on a jungle gym. That's a good message to send to the youth. "Want to appear grown up? Don't just smoke Camels, kill a *****!" Why not execute the twelve year old if he's found guilty? Oh wait, we can't to that, he's too young. We can try him as an "adult" though.
I wonder if they let him drive around and drink some whiskey at an xxx drive in since they'll be declaring him and adult.
Why can't we be more like the UK where a child can brutally murder another child and then be given a new name, a job and enough cash to start his life over when he turns 18?
Edited, Wed Apr 28 10:55:37 2004 by Smasharoo
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Why can't we be more like the UK where a child can brutally murder another child and then be given a new name, a job and enough cash to start his life over when he turns 18?
Child killer are pretty diffucult to judge hense the reason they are treated differently.
That said at twelve i had managed to work out that killing my annoying 8 year old neighbour, while very tempting was in fact wrong.
Edited, Wed Apr 28 11:10:25 2004 by tarv
In cases like this, I always wonder: Did the parents just do a really ****** job with this kid, or is he just "born bad"?
I know if it was my son, we wouldn't have to worry about how they were going to try him, cause I'd kill him myself.
I know if it was my son, we wouldn't have to worry about how they were going to try him, cause I'd kill him myself.
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Child killer are pretty diffucult to judge hense the reason they are treated differently.
What makes killing a child any diffrent than killing an adult?
Or did you mean the killer was a child?
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I ment the child being the killer <generally killing other children.>
I'm pretty sure they can't just decide to try a child as an adult. I think the DA has to request a trial to determine which court (adult or juvenile) will hear the case.
Just found out I was wrong 15 states allow the prosecutor to decide weather to file charges in criminal or juvenile court.
A week later, NY Govenor Hugh Carey called the legislature back to Albany for a special session, passing the Juvenile Offender Act of 1978. Under its terms, kids as young as thirteen could be tried in adult court for murder and would face the same penalties. This law reversed the tradition of the past 150 years that children were malleable and could be rehabilitated and saved. There was now an attitude that there were truly bad kids and they should be locked away from society.
That's where it started as near as I could tell. Mostly because of a kid named Willie Bosket.
There was also another earlier example of a child being sentenced as an adult.
So apparently it's not really all that new.
And in these types of crimes I wonder if it's really excessive. I mean these are not 1st time offenders and willfully murdering another human being is a pretty serious crime.
What I find disturbing is the fact that more and more children are being tried as adults for non-violent offenses.
Fact Sheet: Florida's Experience with Trying Juveniles As Adults
A 1991 study of two representative Florida counties showed that more than two-thirds (71%) of children transferred to adult court were charged with non-violent offenses (property, drug offenses or misdemeanors).
Nearly a third (32%) of all the youth tried as adults in Florida had no prior convictions, and close to half (49%) had one or no-prior convictions.
I blame alot of that on kneejerk reactions and career politicians wanting to look "tough" on crime.
Just found out I was wrong 15 states allow the prosecutor to decide weather to file charges in criminal or juvenile court.
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A week later, NY Govenor Hugh Carey called the legislature back to Albany for a special session, passing the Juvenile Offender Act of 1978. Under its terms, kids as young as thirteen could be tried in adult court for murder and would face the same penalties. This law reversed the tradition of the past 150 years that children were malleable and could be rehabilitated and saved. There was now an attitude that there were truly bad kids and they should be locked away from society.
That's where it started as near as I could tell. Mostly because of a kid named Willie Bosket.
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Willie Bosket had committed over two thousand crimes in New York by the time he was fifteen, including stabbing several people. The son of a convicted murderer, he never knew his father but revered him for his "manly" crime. Just before he was sixteen, his crimes became more serious. Killing another boy in a fight, he then embarked upon a series of subway crimes, which ended up in the deaths of two men. He shot them, he later said, just to see what it was like. It didn't affect him. He knew the juvenile laws well enough to realize that he could continue to do what he was doing and yet still get released when he was twenty-one. He had no reason to stop.
There was also another earlier example of a child being sentenced as an adult.
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Jesse Pomeroy was fourteen when he was arrested in 1874 for the sadistic murder of a four-year-old boy. He was quickly dubbed "The Boston Boy Fiend." His rampage had begun three years earlier with the sexual torture of seven other boys. For those crimes Pomeroy was sentenced to reform school, but then he was released early. Not long afterward he mutilated and killed a 10-year-old girl who came into his mother's store. A month later, he snatched four-year-old Horace Mullen. He took Horace to a swamp outside town and slashed him so savagely with a knife that he nearly decapitated the child. Because of his strange appearance—he had a milky white eye---and his previous behavior, suspicion turned to him. When he was shown the body and asked if he'd done it, he responded with a nonchalant, "I suppose I did." Then the girl was found buried in his mother's cellar and he confessed to that murder, too. He was convicted and sentenced to death, although a public outcry against condemning a child to hang commuted the sentence to four decades of solitary confinement.
So apparently it's not really all that new.
And in these types of crimes I wonder if it's really excessive. I mean these are not 1st time offenders and willfully murdering another human being is a pretty serious crime.
What I find disturbing is the fact that more and more children are being tried as adults for non-violent offenses.
Fact Sheet: Florida's Experience with Trying Juveniles As Adults
A 1991 study of two representative Florida counties showed that more than two-thirds (71%) of children transferred to adult court were charged with non-violent offenses (property, drug offenses or misdemeanors).
Nearly a third (32%) of all the youth tried as adults in Florida had no prior convictions, and close to half (49%) had one or no-prior convictions.
I blame alot of that on kneejerk reactions and career politicians wanting to look "tough" on crime.
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I know if it was my son, we wouldn't have to worry about how they were going to try him, cause I'd kill him myself.
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I blame alot of that on kneejerk reactions and career politicians wanting to look "tough" on crime.
That's probably a big reason for it happening at all. If the age laws are as meaningless as they appear to be, why couldn't an adult be tried as a child? Of course that could never happen, and shouldn't, but still...
Actually, I believe the lowest age that a child can be tried as an adult in Illinois is 13. Of course, that doesn't make it right.
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate here.
Can somebody really be "too young" to be held accountable? For those of you who say 'yes', what is the cutoff age? And who determines this age? Is it different for every crime, or are we to think that any child below the age of <x> is not to be held accountable for anything they do. Won't this instill the idea that they don't have to own up their actions in their heads?
Children brought up to believe that they don't have to take responsibility for their actions will ruin society. This is why we have laws in the first place, to make people pay for crimes against humanity. If children under <x> years old are exempt from this, we are just giving child psychopaths a "Get out of jail free" card with human lives.
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Isn't the whole idea of children being subject to less harsh penalties because they're too young to be held accountable.
I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate here.
Can somebody really be "too young" to be held accountable? For those of you who say 'yes', what is the cutoff age? And who determines this age? Is it different for every crime, or are we to think that any child below the age of <x> is not to be held accountable for anything they do. Won't this instill the idea that they don't have to own up their actions in their heads?
Children brought up to believe that they don't have to take responsibility for their actions will ruin society. This is why we have laws in the first place, to make people pay for crimes against humanity. If children under <x> years old are exempt from this, we are just giving child psychopaths a "Get out of jail free" card with human lives.
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Can somebody really be "too young" to be held accountable? For those of you who say 'yes', what is the cutoff age? And who determines this age? Is it different for every crime, or are we to think that any child below the age of <x> is not to be held accountable for anything they do. Won't this instill the idea that they don't have to own up their actions in their heads?
Repeal the laws that say that then. Iplying that children are too young EXCEPT WHEN WE FEEL LIKE NAILING THEM TO THE WALL is silly.
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Children brought up to believe that they don't have to take responsibility for their actions will ruin society. This is why we have laws in the first place, to make people pay for crimes against humanity. If children under <x> years old are exempt from this, we are just giving child psychopaths a "Get out of jail free" card with human lives.
Kids under 13 can't be proscuted for picking pockets in France. so when pickpockets get caught they all claim to be twelve. Even the thirty year olds :)
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Was the kid a Muslim? I suspect so, judging by his behavior.
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I for one am glad I was not tried as an adult. Was toeing the line at that point, though.
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Was the kid a Muslim? I suspect so, judging by his behavior
i wondered how long that would take
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I'm pretty sure they can't just decide to try a child as an adult
In recent years a large number of people with a clearly recognised mental illness or a sever learning disability have been treated as competent adults.
I have an alternative . . . Execute every 25th citizen at random. I suspect it will demonstrate greater justice than half the states south of Maine ;-)
PS I wasn't always a model citizen, but I faced my crimes and have been executed several times and it didn't do me any harm!
PPS Nail 'em up I say! Nail some sense into them!
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I have an alternative . . . Execute every 25th citizen at random. I suspect it will demonstrate greater justice than half the states south of Maine ;-)
Thankfully not Illinois, anymore. We finally got a moratorium on our seriously fuc[i][/i]ked up death penalty system.
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Was the kid a Muslim? I suspect so, judging by his behavior
i wondered how long that would take
Nope, he was actually a card-carrying ****. Member number was 3,421,200. Registered in Berlin in 1943.
Sieg Heil!
A genuine card carrying Muslim ****. Huh. There is no god but Hitler and Goebbels is his prophet!
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I hate Illinois **** Muslims.
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Just Illinois **** Muslims? What's so great about the **** Muslims from the other 49 states?
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