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#1 Apr 28 2004 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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Okay so this old guy, App Applegate, is building a 80-foot saliboat out on Orcas Island to carry him away to Cuba, is 85 and began the project at 70 years young, when he realized they were converting the island into a west-coast Martha's Vinyard, etc etc whatever. What hit me like a 2x4 upside the head about this article was the following:

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Out here in Puget Sound, on the upper west side of the American dream, he lives in a shack without running water, listens to National Public Radio on a hand-crank radio and avoids outhouses as ecologically incorrect. He prefers a shovel and an open field.


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App and Rivkah are outspoken advocates of open-field defecation.


This seems to be an educated man, but I can't believe that ANYONE would advocate what I'll refer to henceforward as "OFD."
Isn't that kind of sh[b][/b]it (literally) what brought on the plague? What could possibly be the positive ramifications of such a practice?



#2 Apr 28 2004 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
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What could possibly be the positive ramifications of such a practice?

Fertilizes your crops

Saves water (1.6 Gallons per flush)

Avoids need for sewer system/water reclamation plants

Good way to wake up on a cold morning

#3 Apr 28 2004 at 7:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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#4 Apr 28 2004 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
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He prefers a shovel and an open field


So no it didnt cause the plague, why would he need a shovel if he was just gonna leave it there? even if he did, thats line saying "manure, being spread on fields?? im outraged!!"
The plague was caused by bubonic rats and was spread easily because of cramped conditions and unhygienic conditions, so only a very small part of it was poo related. If the guys lived in 1000's london in a 2 bedroomed house with his 34 family members, then yeah lets blame him for the plague.



Edited, Wed Apr 28 08:48:48 2004 by Dracoid
#5 Apr 28 2004 at 7:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fertilizes your crops

Because we all still grow our own food off islands in the Northwest, and we need that.

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Saves water (1.6 Gallons per flush)

Probably, but I'm sure just as much gets used up in bongs.

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Avoids need for sewer system/water reclamation plants

Except that anything on the land eventually filters into the water, so you're not avoiding, only delaying.

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Good way to wake up on a cold morning

So's a random gunshot fired in close proximity. That, or a cup of strong coffee-but I guess that would waste water.



Edited, Wed Apr 28 08:49:37 2004 by Atomicflea
#6 Apr 28 2004 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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So no it didnt cause the plague, why would he need a shovel if he was just gonna leave it there? even if he did, thats line saying "manure, being spread on fields?? im outraged!!"
The plague was caused by bubonic rats and was spread easily because of cramped conditions and unhygienic conditions, so only a very small part of it was poo related. If the guys lived in 1000's london in a 2 bedroomed house with his 34 family members, then yeah lets blame him for the plague.

No, I blame App for the plague. That was my whole point. Congratulations on your superb reading comprehension.
#7 Apr 28 2004 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
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Except that anything on the land eventually filters into the water, so you're not avoiding, only delaying.

I'm pretty sure that by the time a load of crap in your backyard gets filtered into the water system, it will be exactly that - Filtered. Unless there's a river in your backyard, and you take a **** in that.

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That, or a cup of strong coffee-but I guess that would waste water.
It's not a waste, you have to drink to survive. Plus, you can grow your own coffee beans, fertilized with your own crap.
#8 Apr 28 2004 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
I read your post perfectly, but you obviously didnt read mine, i know you balmed him, and im saying youre wrong, wanna try again?
#9 Apr 28 2004 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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Plus, you can grow your own coffee beans, fertilized with your own crap.

Sounds delicious.

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I read your post perfectly, but you obviously didnt read mine, i know you balmed him, and im saying youre wrong, wanna try again?

Trying is obviously futile. You can't recognize sarcasm, or comprehend the concept of a question versus a statement, and it's not as if I can go back in time to your obviously poor education and fix either of those.

#10 Apr 28 2004 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure that by the time a load of crap in your backyard gets filtered into the water system, it will be exactly that - Filtered. Unless there's a river in your backyard, and you take a sh*t in that
That's the entire idea behind your typical septic tank, which does a better job of cleansing water than water treatment facities do.

We (as in the company I'm with) did work for a large private school in Wisconsin before that was all about conservation. They had a huge water tank (about 30' high) full of various tropical plants growing hydroponically and whose roots filled the tank, top to bottom. Sewage and waste water from the school was run through the tank and, apparently, the water in the far end tank was potable because by the time waste moved through all the roots systems, it was broken down and absorbed by the plants. It was then forced through some underground pipes to filter back into the water table, but the tour guy would make a big show of taking water directly from the tank and drinking a glass.
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#11 Apr 28 2004 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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I read your post perfectly, but you obviously didnt read mine, i know you balmed him, and im saying youre wrong, wanna try again?


I blame chinese people for the high prices of eye glasses.

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#12 Apr 28 2004 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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We (as in the company I'm with) did work for a large private school in Wisconsin before that was all about conservation. They had a huge water tank (about 30' high) full of various tropical plants growing hydroponically and whose roots filled the tank, top to bottom. Sewage and waste water from the school was run through the tank and, apparently, the water in the far end tank was potable because by the time waste moved through all the roots systems, it was broken down and absorbed by the plants. It was then forced through some underground pipes to filter back into the water table, but the tour guy would make a big show of taking water directly from the tank and drinking a glass.


Thanks for explaining that, Joph. How about in-water craps, though? No natural filtration for that?



Edited, Wed Apr 28 10:51:12 2004 by Atomicflea
#13 Apr 28 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
Nah, in-water craps just dilute.

Mmmm, chocolate..uh, water..
#14 Apr 28 2004 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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The major concern is that the bacteria from any OFD activities do not enter one's drinking water supply. Hepatitis and dysentery would be the main illnesses caused by a tainted water supply.

And as to in water craps... When I was a kid, my parents took a trip to the far east. They were pretty shocked in Thailand to watch one person leaning over the river bank brushing their teeth 2 feet away from someone defocating in it. Nice mental image, eh?
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When I was a kid, my parents took a trip to the far east. They were pretty shocked in Thailand to watch one person leaning over the river bank brushing their teeth 2 feet away from someone defocating in it. Nice mental image, eh?


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#16 Apr 28 2004 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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He prefers a shovel and an open field...
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...outspoken advocates of open-field defecation.

So why not dig a hole in the open field and make an outhouse? Man, he's lucky he's in Cuba; the weather isn't so forgiving up here in the Chicago area, especially if he's going to whip out Willie and the twins out on the lawn all winter.
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#17 Apr 28 2004 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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So why not dig a hole in the open field and make an outhouse?
When was the last time you were in an outhouse? Stinky structures, those. My guess is he's going for the fresh air factor (or possibly the view.)
#18 Apr 28 2004 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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Plus, outhouses tend to attract species of spiders not seen outside of old B movies.
#19 Apr 28 2004 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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#20 Apr 28 2004 at 11:33 AM Rating: Decent
The whole OoT forum is fertilized by "OFD" and look how well IT turned out.

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#21 Apr 28 2004 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
I have taken my share of OFD's and it is rather relaxing. The air gently blowing across your butt, the view, not being cramped up in the bathroom. Only problem is your legs get tired from squating, that and the danger of poopin on your shoes.

As far as pooping outside causing a problem, I could see it if a large number of people started doing this in the same general area but the random OFD isnt going to cause disease or water problems by my estimation. I mean dont ALL the animals OFD? I would think if you piled up all the poo from humans and stacked it next to all the poo from animals our pile would be quite a bit smaller.
#22 Apr 28 2004 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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I wonder if Flash OFD Mobs will become the new trend.
#23 Apr 28 2004 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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Love the title

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#24 Apr 28 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Man, he's lucky he's in Cuba

Not yet he isn't. He's an hour off the coast of Washington state, Orcas Island.
#25 Apr 28 2004 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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#26 Apr 28 2004 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I love catholes


hell of a lot better than crapping in a 55 gal drum and then having to burn that **** later. Caught some of that duty while I was up on the DMZ in Korea. That's the worst.
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