Everyone completely understands what you're saying. If you put Ali in a time machine the night before the first Liston fight and popped him out in 2000 or whenever you think Lewis was at his prime, Ali would kill the man.
Possibly litteraly.
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Ali was 6'3 210-220 about four percent body fat, 83 inch reach.
Foreman was also 6'3 about 220.
Lenox would have had the same reach as Ali, been vulnerable punching down, have about fifteen pounds on him, but be two inches taller probably hitting about as hard if not less so than Ali.
And his face would have looked like hamburger after the third round.
Edited, Tue Apr 27 13:50:32 2004 by Smasharoo
Foreman was also 6'3 about 220.
Lenox would have had the same reach as Ali, been vulnerable punching down, have about fifteen pounds on him, but be two inches taller probably hitting about as hard if not less so than Ali.
And his face would have looked like hamburger after the third round.
Edited, Tue Apr 27 13:50:32 2004 by Smasharoo
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Ack, the pickleman is into limbless chicks!
-Gie
Edited, Tue Apr 27 13:48:14 2004 by Gie
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Edited, Tue Apr 27 13:48:14 2004 by Gie
I'm not into boxing. Although it would be a good fight to see. Ali vs Lewis both on top form. Think of the money involved. $$$$
No, no. I once saw 2 men hitting each other in the capital of Montana.
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ok, that's much better.
Take a trip south, and watch two men fight in Butte.
Yuck...
-Gie
Take a trip south, and watch two men fight in Butte.
Yuck...
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Jones is not a heavyweight
Actually he was a heavyweight champion and said he wanted to fight Lewis. Lewis retired. There's more money for another fight with Tarver than any heavyweight (not to mention a personal grudge that goes back to when they were 13), so he gave up a belt he knows he can regain at will.
And throw out any corrupt world rankings you want. WBU title means alot too. Hatton keeps fighting TBA. Tackie was almost a real opponent (and by far his best) but coming off much more convincing losses to the best of the division (Mitchell and Tszyu).
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And throw out any corrupt world rankings you want. WBU title means alot too. Hatton keeps fighting TBA. Tackie was almost a real opponent (and by far his best) but coming off much more convincing losses to the best of the division (Mitchell and Tszyu).
1. corrupt world rankings?
WBO:- held by Zab Jubah
WBC:- Held by Tszyu
WBA:- Held by Viv Harris
so thats the top 3 world title covered then gee i wonder how you rank people other than using what the boxing authorities consider the rank.
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Hatton beat Tackie by bigger margin than Either Mitchell or Tszyu
Score card 120-109 120-109 118-110. sorry but it doesn't get more convincing than that.
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Score card 120-109 120-109 118-110. sorry but it doesn't get more convincing than that.
Yeah, nothing's more compelling than boxing scorecards when you're looking for an impartial measure of talent.
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Yeah, nothing's more compelling than boxing scorecards when you're looking for an impartial measure of talent.
Hatton vs tackie fight report
This is to my knowlage an american website.
Jones did not look that impressive in the first Tarver fight. That was the first time I can remember seeing him look beatable. If he destroys Tarver in the rematch I think he should get a shot at Byrd or Klitschko. He already beat one of the other champions (Ruiz). This guy has beaten everybody he has fought in his career, I don't see any better matches for the champs.
Edited, Tue Apr 27 14:50:52 2004 by Aades
Edited, Tue Apr 27 14:50:52 2004 by Aades
Ali is a pu55y. Antonio Inoki whipped his a$$ badly. Gimme Jack Dempsey any day.
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Do fights on your side of the pond (where Hatton fights all his fights) have judges? Most (I know not all) are scored by the ref. That's a real good system. I put the most value in rankings from the USA today top ten by division.
Is it perfect no, but it's not based on under the table money like all of the others. I think it was the WBO that didn't have Lewis ranked in there top 10 when he had the other belts. Hatton is unproven any way you look at it. No top tear fighters by your own admission, and no major fights outside of his home town.
Is it perfect no, but it's not based on under the table money like all of the others. I think it was the WBO that didn't have Lewis ranked in there top 10 when he had the other belts. Hatton is unproven any way you look at it. No top tear fighters by your own admission, and no major fights outside of his home town.
Document not found buddy, not sure if the link is screwed your end or mine.
Probably mine.
since i can't look see what they rank Joe Calzaghe<Super middle or 168lbs> and Howard eastman <middle or 160lbs.>
oh and what was Hatton ranked at?
Probably mine.
since i can't look see what they rank Joe Calzaghe<Super middle or 168lbs> and Howard eastman <middle or 160lbs.>
oh and what was Hatton ranked at?
[link=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/boxrank.htm
sorry error on my end this should work
Edited, Tue Apr 27 15:07:01 2004 by DashertheChef
sorry error on my end this should work
Edited, Tue Apr 27 15:07:01 2004 by DashertheChef
Well if your going to lump them together into 2 weight divisions it's hard for anyone who doesn't hold one of the major 3 titles or has fought for one in the last 12 months to make it on the list.
Which brings me to my point from the begining Calzaghe and Hatton are the two best fighter in britain at the moment.
I believe in 12 months Hatton will have beaten Mitchell if they can get the fight on.
Tszyu will keep dodging fights due to his serious injury that may never heal, it will be tough for him to come back after the shady victory over Mitchell and the long lay off.
Which brings me to my point from the begining Calzaghe and Hatton are the two best fighter in britain at the moment.
I believe in 12 months Hatton will have beaten Mitchell if they can get the fight on.
Tszyu will keep dodging fights due to his serious injury that may never heal, it will be tough for him to come back after the shady victory over Mitchell and the long lay off.
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If you put Ali in a time machine the night before the first Liston fight and popped him out in 2000 or whenever you think Lewis was at his prime, Ali would kill the man.
I have to agree wholeheartedly with Smash here. Sonny Liston had the fastest hands anyone had seen on a heavyweight and hit like a ton of bricks. Ali HUMILIATED HIM. TWICE!!! Ali was almost inconceivably fast, was a brilliant ring tactician, and could psyche out almost anyone. He took horrific beatings from Frazier and Foreman (one of the hardest, and probably THE hardest punchers ever), and STILL had enough gas to beat them.
Lewis was like Larry Holmes, the best of a bad lot. He's not a chump, but if he were surrounded with the kind of competition that Ali was, he'd not be champ. I don't think he'd touch Ali(pre-ban), and would still lose to him badly post-ban. Ali just had too many weapons.
My money is still on the karate-kung fuooey guy.
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Ali is a pu55y. Antonio Inoki whipped his a$$ badly. Gimme Jack Dempsey any day.
Jack Dempsey was a cagey *******. I remember seeing a film of him (not sure who the opponent was), but the two of them were toe to toe, clinching and grabbing, the referee was off to Dempsey's right. Jack stepped forward with his right foot, bringing his body into a position such that it blocked the ref's view of his opponent's body, nailed his opponent in the nards with a left uppercut, then when the opponent (naturaly) dropped his hands to protect his future children, Jack walloped him with a right that sent him to the canvas, never to get up.
He was quite vicious. If you think the fight game was dirty now, imagine what it was like back in the 20's and 30's.
I really can't believe you guys give Lennox Lewis that much credit. I also can't believe no one has mentioned "Tyson, in his prime". Most fighter's degrade with age becasue their body can't hack it. For Tyson, it was mental. Had Tysons trainer stayed alive longer, who know s what he could have done. Anyway, Tyson, in his prime, would have killed Lewis. I think they were supposed to fight once back when Tyson was in his prime, but it got cancelled, if I rememeber correctly. Furthermore, Tyson would have given Ali all he could handle and perhaps more. This would be the super fight of the ages. Tyson was the most explosive fighter ever!!!! Ali was the most talented boxer ever(heavyweights). In his day, I am not sure if anyone could handle him. Roy Jones Jr., or Sugar Ray Lenard, one of those two, is the best pound for pound fighter ever, IMO.
Yeah, Tyson was friggin scary in his day. It wasn't enough that he beat all of the best fighters around at the time, he beat them in a matter of seconds! Just pounded them silly. He really was the Baddest Man on the Planet for a while. When you talk about fighters in their prime, he has to be considered in the top bunch.
During that Klitschko-Sanders fight last week, we started talking about how Tyson in his prime would have flurried Sanders with vicious uppercuts as soon as Sanders began to stagger. Holyfield was still in his prime when Tyson lost to Buster Douglas and then went to prison. If Tyson just could have held it together until that Holyfield fight he might be mentioned more often as a great one.
Tyson's a hard one to judge. He knocked out a lot of bums, but they really mostly were bums. He may have been one of the greats or he may have been great at quickly knocking out bums. It's really pretty hard to say.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Ohhh there they go. There they go! Why every time I start talkin about boxing a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out they ***? Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Lewis, Rocky Marciano ain't ****.
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