Fellgaze wrote:
Ever hear of this notion called "choice"?
Ever hear of this *other* notion called "temptation"?
Okay, except if lets say I were omnicient I would be able to see into the future and KNOW what happened and therefore plan before hand and change it...unless you are saying God knows what is going to happen buy has no power to change it. There are ways to alter the course without affecting free-will.
ibzamshamgar wrote:
God wants to be loved. just like us. after all, we're created in His image. but it's not true love if the person of your affection is just a mindless robot...we go back to the problem of choice.
Ah, the problem of coice. Except how can there be choice when this God pre-destines who will be saved?
Eph 3-6
"3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved."
Rom 8: 29-30
"29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified."
John 6: 44
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day."
Now, obviously predestination is in the Bible. So the ones who will be "saved" are chosen "before the foundation of the world". So then I pose to you a question. If God chose who will go to heaven he also chose who will go to hell. How can anything that you claim as "love" and "righteous" send people to a place that is so terrible it is only described as eternal torture?