lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Which, as I've stated multiple times already
I could say the same for you and your assumption that because you disagree with me that I must be wrong, and you must be right.
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Then prove I did it wrong and show us an example of a white person being arrested at a Starbucks for being an asshole.
How exactly am I supposed to do that? Online searches are great for finding news stories. As I've pointed out, the news doesn't tend to write stories about every person who is arrested unless there's something "special" about it. Arrested while white doesn't fit that bill. Police blotters could be useful, but don't tend to be very detailed online either. Again, unless someone in the media chooses to follow up on a story, it's not going to appear unless it fits a narrative. White person arrested, doesn't fit a narrative.
Tell you what. Let's test this. Try doing a google search looking for any examples of white people being arrested... for anything. Heck. Type "white people arrested" (or any of a number of variations) into the search engine. What do you get? Lists of stories about how white people aren't arrested as much as black people, or white people being arrested for some kind of race crime. You''ll be hard pressed to find any example of a hit that actually talks about a white person just being arrested for normal crimes like trespassing, loitering, disorderly conduct, etc.
Why would you expect to find such things? However, the actual crime and arrest stats show that white people are, in fact, arrested hundreds of thousands of times every single year for such crimes. That disconnect should be your first clue that what you're seeing in the search engine is not remotely accurate to what's actually happening in the real world.
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It's your claim, so it's your burden of proof, not mine.
I've provided proof that white people do get arrested for the same crime as the two black men were arrested for. We can pretend that it must just have never happened like ever at a Starbucks because we can't find an example via internet search engine of this, or we can conclude that the search engine isn't providing us the right information. The fact that the same search for such crimes at any business also returns negative results suggests that it's the search engine not having the information.
Where do you suppose all these arrests are occurring?
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gbaji wrote:
The point is that those 5.8 million white people were arrested for something.
gbaji wrote:
I'm reasonably certain that if couple white guys had done the exact same actions, they'd have been led out in handcuffs as well.
No, they aren't. I'm making the quite reasonable assumption that a white person is just as likely to commit trespassing or disorderly conduct or whatever at a Starbucks as at a Walmart, or a Trader Joes, or whatever other random business might call the cops on such a thing, resulting in them getting arrested. The only difference is that when a white person is arrested for doing something like that, it doesn't make the news and is never reported as them being "arrested for being white".
Your perception of the events is different. It's monumentally unlikely that no white people have ever been arrested for anything at a Starbucks *at all*, yet you can't find any examples on google, can you? Again, that points to massive gaps in our search capability, not in the facts of the world around us.
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Unless you can prove otherwise the crime statistic of white people being arrested for being assholes at Starbucks is 0.
If we mean "trespassing" or "disorderly conduct" by that, then where were they all arrested? I can't find examples of this happening anywhere via search engine. Can you? Yet, the actual crime stats show a quite large number of such arrests for those crimes, of white people, every single year. By your argument, there are zero arrests for those crimes because you can't find them in your search engine. That's clearly wrong.
You're following a silly narrative in the face of strong evidence to the contrary. White people do get arrested for the same crime that these two black men were arrested for. Where's the outrage? Where's the media reporting? Is there even a mention of it anywhere? And in the absence of *any* such mention, we have to assume that the absence in the specific case involving arrests at Starbucks, doesn't actually mean anything either.
What's funny is that I was just talking last night with a friend of mine who worked at a Starbucks for several years. I asked her if it was normal for people to just hang out at a Starbucks without paying for anything. She honestly couldn't remember a single case where someone did that. She did comment on one guy who would regularly come in and buy a single cup of coffee and hang out for hours, and expressed annoyance that he would take advantage of the 50 cent refill rule by leaving and then later coming back and asking for a refill. But her general take was that everyone who came in bought something in return for hanging out.
Which flies in the face of so many internet claims that "people hang out for hours without buying anything all the time". Um.... No. They don't. I mean, I suppose if the folks working there just happen to not notice you, you might get away with it (although asking to use the bathroom might just tip them off), but it's certainly not normal. And it's not something most people would think was ok.
There's just a ton of stuff about the whole story that smacks of after-the-fact retelling to make things fit the narrative.
Edited, May 18th 2018 4:03pm by gbaji