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Like one person to 5 cats? Or like 5 people to one cat?

These are important questions.

This was on @midnight, and the best punchline was:

"Peter is a terrible Parker"

That we are discussing ridding ourselves of the 2nd and 5th Amendment says more about the state of our country today than anything else that can be said. That the Democratic Party would like to curtail the 1st Amendment says even more.

That the Republican Party would nominate a buffoon who'd likely agree with them says it all.

It's irrational fear mongering like that that got the buffoon nominated in the first place.

And get into your car?

Exactly. Who needs all those dumb inalienable rights anyway? After all, there's never been even one time where a government-- any government! _-that tried to coerce its' citizenry into doing what it didn't want, right? Right?!?

Jophiel, you must be a big fan of Woodrow Wilson then, who declared that in modern America our obligation to the Declaration of Independence and it's regard for inalienable human rights as set out in the Preamble is to, “Make a new table of contents, make a new set of counts in the indictment, make a new statement of the things you mean to set right, and then call all the civilized world to witness, as that great document does, that you mean to settle these things in the spirit of liberty, but also in the spirit of justice and responsibility.”

Your willingness to casually cast away those Bill of Rights aptly demonstrates the Left's predisposition to fascism and tyranny, as evidenced in their reluctance to endorse the Civil Rights Act, to put forth policies for eugenics against the poor, blacks, and handicapped, protection of slavery, and disregard for basic freedoms and human rights. Rather than bolster the foundation of our country, you'd weaken it by having us believe that those self-evident truths are not self-evident at all.

Furthermore Wilson said, "We are not bound to adhere to the doctrines held by the signers of the Declaration of Independence: we are as free as they were to make and unmake governments. We are not here to worship men or a document….Every Fourth of July should be a time for examining our standards, our purposes, for determining afresh what principles and what forms of power we think most likely to effect our safety and happiness. That and that alone is the obligation the Declaration lays upon us."

Of course he, like many Leftists like yourself said this, "No doubt a lot of nonsense has been talked about the inalienable rights of the individual, and a great deal that was mere sentiment and pleasing speculation has been put forward as fundamental principle."

Again, "Government does now whatever experience permits or the times demand…"

The first step towards that goal of unfettered power is the erasure of those pesky inalienable rights. Ol' Woody, he took the words right out of your mouth, didn't he, Jophiel?

Everyone thinks their arguments are "rational thought", sweetheart. You get the response your little screed deserved, not the one you wished it would get. Take care and have fun spending your night reading about Wilson on Wikipedia.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2016 10:49pm by Jophiel

Yeah, Discussion can be pretty casual.

The "Inalienable Rights" are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? From the Declaration of Independence, not the U.S. Constitution.

Also, it's Unalienable Rightsl.

Just saying. You go ahead and bandy about those buzz words, you do you.

No, but your slavish devotion to the words should be not only attributed to the correct document, but also the correct words, right? Isn't that part of your whole Founding Fathers religion?