I meant to post this awhile ago but completely slipped my mind and it's UBERly slow at work today and it popped in my head when reading a posting on a forum about blm MB'ing on a Skillchain. I started to post in a job forum but realized that this wasn't so much a specific job issue as just a general observation.
Anyways ~ When I was xping my rdm and was lvl 70ish had a pt setup: Blm, Rdm, Pld, Drk, Blu and Blu (and may I say Ouchie right now on the amount of Refreshes for this pt lol ><)..... We did ok on xp ~ lil slower than I'd like but it was ok.... There were two skillchains one w/ blu and pld and the bigger one for the other Blu and Drk which the Drk was supposed to end. And after several fights he never could "end" the skillchain.... EVER... The entire pt he never timed one correctly and the SC never happened he kept blaming one thing or another and ultimately gave up trying. I weeped inside a bit at this... 70ish Drk... Not knowing how to end a skillchain?! I don't even remember this Drks name ~ in retrospect should have noted it somewhere.
What in the name of Vanadiel...... Now I worry for whenever I decide to level my blm ~ since tp burns are the "in" thing right now ~ have skillchains become a novelty or forgotten art?
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Welcome to the age of TP spam ~_~
Indeed PTs that are heavily based on SC will continue to do fine. One of the biggest weakness of a SC based PT is that needs more MP (MP used in MB) and often TP move damage has to be hold back. With good haste gear, some jobs (especially Ninja) can get 100% TP in 20-30 sec.
Nowadays SC is limited to basically to sky and other ground HNM because BLM holds a large key to the damage in a lot of tradational strategies.
The modern PT relies heavily on speed. And even like a CoP missions BC and even Dynamis-Xacbard/Dynamis Lord relies heavily on getting as much damage out as fast as you can. SC isn't the way to go.
As a player skill, I do think a lot of BLMs do need to learn the art MB as it is needed in a lot of situations (just less in exp pt). And even in Exp PT, MB is the largest boost of BLM ego :P (I can probably do 2500-2600 MB or even higher ;o, and you don't want to ask how much Quasit can do in magic bursting X_x)
Edited, Oct 6th 2006 at 1:18pm PDT by scchan
Indeed PTs that are heavily based on SC will continue to do fine. One of the biggest weakness of a SC based PT is that needs more MP (MP used in MB) and often TP move damage has to be hold back. With good haste gear, some jobs (especially Ninja) can get 100% TP in 20-30 sec.
Nowadays SC is limited to basically to sky and other ground HNM because BLM holds a large key to the damage in a lot of tradational strategies.
The modern PT relies heavily on speed. And even like a CoP missions BC and even Dynamis-Xacbard/Dynamis Lord relies heavily on getting as much damage out as fast as you can. SC isn't the way to go.
As a player skill, I do think a lot of BLMs do need to learn the art MB as it is needed in a lot of situations (just less in exp pt). And even in Exp PT, MB is the largest boost of BLM ego :P (I can probably do 2500-2600 MB or even higher ;o, and you don't want to ask how much Quasit can do in magic bursting X_x)
Edited, Oct 6th 2006 at 1:18pm PDT by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
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but when there is nothing left to take away.
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-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
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- George Sand
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not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I wouldnt say its a lost art persay. If i ever get into a party with a black mage i always try to do a skillchain for them to burst on. If i cant get anyone to co-operate on the skillchain, i usually look for a lesser WS to finish a chain so the blm can burst. I basically wait for a person to use thier WS, then follow with mine. Yeah i know overall i might be losing out on a little damage but at least it gives the blm some incentive to pay attention. Unfortunately in the tp burn mentality skillchains are sadly out the window.
I have never expected uber exp in any party, I do expect 4k/hour. I am the type of person who enjoys leveling and am willing to tone down the exp a little in order to have some fun. I could merit with my bard (74 atm) but due to my refusal to pull (looked down on by 99% of the population to NOT pull as bard) i havent leveled it in a few months. To be level 70 and not know how to skillchain doesnt surprise me. At level 60 (most of my jobs are currently at that level range) I find many rdms cant refresh or dispel properly. melees showing up in full AF. And black mages who cant burst on a skillchain even if there is one available. Thiefs dont know how to pull at a rate appropriate to the party, whm waiting til tank is at 200 hp before busting out a cure V. Lol this is sorta turning into a rant -.-
I am bored at school. I'll stay on topic. I guess i will go with..... A novelty because some people can still do it, if no one could then it would be a forgotten art. I do apologize for the length of this post, normally mine are short sweet and to the point, with some sarcasm to top it all off >:)
I have never expected uber exp in any party, I do expect 4k/hour. I am the type of person who enjoys leveling and am willing to tone down the exp a little in order to have some fun. I could merit with my bard (74 atm) but due to my refusal to pull (looked down on by 99% of the population to NOT pull as bard) i havent leveled it in a few months. To be level 70 and not know how to skillchain doesnt surprise me. At level 60 (most of my jobs are currently at that level range) I find many rdms cant refresh or dispel properly. melees showing up in full AF. And black mages who cant burst on a skillchain even if there is one available. Thiefs dont know how to pull at a rate appropriate to the party, whm waiting til tank is at 200 hp before busting out a cure V. Lol this is sorta turning into a rant -.-
I am bored at school. I'll stay on topic. I guess i will go with..... A novelty because some people can still do it, if no one could then it would be a forgotten art. I do apologize for the length of this post, normally mine are short sweet and to the point, with some sarcasm to top it all off >:)
I don't think it is completely lost.
I have exp/merited in Lufaise Meadows a few times since ToAU came out. Every time there, we designed a SC > MB for efficient kills. It was actually kind of nice partying there; we didn't have to fight over camps/mobs. It was fun to get back to those times of designing a fight rather than spamming WS.
Personally, I miss the Mnk parties in King Ranpierre's Tomb ; ;
I have exp/merited in Lufaise Meadows a few times since ToAU came out. Every time there, we designed a SC > MB for efficient kills. It was actually kind of nice partying there; we didn't have to fight over camps/mobs. It was fun to get back to those times of designing a fight rather than spamming WS.
Personally, I miss the Mnk parties in King Ranpierre's Tomb ; ;
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Personally, I miss the Mnk parties in King Ranpierre's Tomb ; ;
Those aren't SCing PTs ;o, but yes, I used to do KRT all the time :o now no one goes there. I am tossing Tarutarus at Vrtra next I go.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
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but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
:P ~ Just found it shocking to have a lvl 70ish anything that didn't know how to skillchain... You'd think it would be a basic skill by lvl 70 even on your first job regardless. When I think TP burn ~ I'm thinking experienced high-level ppl ~ and that specific pt was definetly not a TP burn pt and everyone in that pt knew what their responsibilities were cept that one player.
Just didn't feel at lvl 70 I needed to explain to him on the finer points of how to skillchain. That really should have been learned/taught much lower lvls (between lvl 12 and 18 is when he should have learned it).... And should have been able to finesse it thru the remaining lvls until he was high enough for TP burns.
Ugh.... This day is going so SLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW >< ;;;;;;;
Just didn't feel at lvl 70 I needed to explain to him on the finer points of how to skillchain. That really should have been learned/taught much lower lvls (between lvl 12 and 18 is when he should have learned it).... And should have been able to finesse it thru the remaining lvls until he was high enough for TP burns.
Ugh.... This day is going so SLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW >< ;;;;;;;
MB is fun.
Amanada casts Thunderga III/Burst II. Magic Burst! Tavanazian Ram/Aura Statue takes 25?? damage is fun :3
Amanada casts Burst II. Magic Burst! Genbu takes 2??? damage. Genbu readies Turtle Stomp. Amanada takes 1??? damage. Amanada is defeated by Genbu XD
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
>_>
And did you forget "Haste" :P
Edited, Oct 6th 2006 at 2:59pm PDT by scchan
Amanada casts Thunderga III/Burst II. Magic Burst! Tavanazian Ram/Aura Statue takes 25?? damage is fun :3
Amanada casts Burst II. Magic Burst! Genbu takes 2??? damage. Genbu readies Turtle Stomp. Amanada takes 1??? damage. Amanada is defeated by Genbu XD
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Blm, Rdm, Pld, Drk, Blu and Blu
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
>_>
And did you forget "Haste" :P
Edited, Oct 6th 2006 at 2:59pm PDT by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
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Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
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not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Well I admit I have some problems figuring out how to MB on my BLM. Depending on what job I'm leveling I alter my filters to prevent un-nessary spam. I try to time it when the second part of the skill chain comes on.
IE:
Opening:*insert name* here prepares *insert weapon skill here*
Second: *insert name here* prepares *instert weapon skill here*
Then me: Greenjade casts *corresponding spell here*
And in most cases I either casted to fast or not fast enough.
I was taught as a lvl 10 blm on how to MB but the timing is something I have trouble understanding. =\ Any help on this would be greatly apreciated. >->;
IE:
Opening:*insert name* here prepares *insert weapon skill here*
Second: *insert name here* prepares *instert weapon skill here*
Then me: Greenjade casts *corresponding spell here*
And in most cases I either casted to fast or not fast enough.
I was taught as a lvl 10 blm on how to MB but the timing is something I have trouble understanding. =\ Any help on this would be greatly apreciated. >->;
Quote:
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
>_>
And did you forget "Haste" :P
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
"Refresh plz."
>_>
And did you forget "Haste" :P
<33 Ya ~ thankfully wasn't like that I was able to keep majority of the mana users taken care of and hasted the pld >.>; left it there <.<;... That is one of the small horror stories I have from Rdm lvling. :P
Think that's why I stored most my Rdm gear after hitting 75 >.>; ~ at some point I won't be tramatized anymore and actually have some fun with it. ^.^
Edited, Oct 6th 2006 at 3:42pm PDT by Jellbell
I need to agree, I miss the old days where everything was done as SC followed my MBs. The only person I see doing a SC often in a PT now is me on BLU ><
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Speaking as a Samurai, I'll GUESS SC's in a pt if I don't already know one. They're just fun to see. Everyone I party with is amazed when they see the SC go off.
A few nights ago, I was xp-ing in yhoat. we had a war, war, mnk, mnk (me), smn, blm. Not only was I coaching the melee's but getting the blm to burst. (one of our SC's only did 7 damage... but the MB did 140 :D)
Just my two cents.
(btw, I'm from Fenrir, I just had to come running when I saw the thread's name)
A few nights ago, I was xp-ing in yhoat. we had a war, war, mnk, mnk (me), smn, blm. Not only was I coaching the melee's but getting the blm to burst. (one of our SC's only did 7 damage... but the MB did 140 :D)
Just my two cents.
(btw, I'm from Fenrir, I just had to come running when I saw the thread's name)
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Skillchains are so 2005. In terms of EXP parties that is.
ITs true~~~ TP Spam is the trend right now~~
but i wouldn't say SC is lost, i'm quite surprised that drks dunno how to SC lol (account buyer? >_>;)
SC is still valuable when the melees are not fast DOT type (ie drg drk rangers even) and a blm is present SC is powerful~
i got my blm to 51 and a lot of this occured... :
me: you guys got a skillchain?
xxx: yea... we'll get a skillchain sorted
me: cool.
-10 mins later, when we get to the place to level... first fight about to start..-
me: so you melees got skillchain sorted?
-no one listens to the poor blm...-
sometimes i even found a sc for them and they still ignore me like i'm not talking in their language... >_< i don't think many people realise the power of Magic Burst.... Q_Q
but i wouldn't say SC is lost, i'm quite surprised that drks dunno how to SC lol (account buyer? >_>;)
SC is still valuable when the melees are not fast DOT type (ie drg drk rangers even) and a blm is present SC is powerful~
i got my blm to 51 and a lot of this occured... :
me: you guys got a skillchain?
xxx: yea... we'll get a skillchain sorted
me: cool.
-10 mins later, when we get to the place to level... first fight about to start..-
me: so you melees got skillchain sorted?
-no one listens to the poor blm...-
sometimes i even found a sc for them and they still ignore me like i'm not talking in their language... >_< i don't think many people realise the power of Magic Burst.... Q_Q
For the above reason, alot of people simply do not invite BLMs to PT, as people consider them "gimp" in exp situations. And people still complain BLM PT as a "unfair way" to PT.
At high levels, MB is still unquestionable the strongest spike damage.
I have not magic bursted for long time. It just sucks to know that I can get merit point for BLMs easier as another job. But BLMs that does not know how to MB should be made into Vrtra's dinner :3
Edited, Oct 12th 2006 at 11:29am PDT by scchan
At high levels, MB is still unquestionable the strongest spike damage.
I have not magic bursted for long time. It just sucks to know that I can get merit point for BLMs easier as another job. But BLMs that does not know how to MB should be made into Vrtra's dinner :3
Edited, Oct 12th 2006 at 11:29am PDT by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Answer to the question is yes. BLM or not, skillchaining is a lost cause.
Simply put, no one cares.
I've never got "refresh please". I believe that happens when an RDM complete forgets someone in a cycle. I dont wait for the spell to wear off.
Edited, Oct 12th 2006 at 12:43pm PDT by Zaleshea
Simply put, no one cares.
I've never got "refresh please". I believe that happens when an RDM complete forgets someone in a cycle. I dont wait for the spell to wear off.
Edited, Oct 12th 2006 at 12:43pm PDT by Zaleshea
Greenjade wrote:
Well I admit I have some problems figuring out how to MB on my BLM. Depending on what job I'm leveling I alter my filters to prevent un-nessary spam. I try to time it when the second part of the skill chain comes on.
IE:
Opening:*insert name* here prepares *insert weapon skill here*
Second: *insert name here* prepares *instert weapon skill here*
Then me: Greenjade casts *corresponding spell here*
And in most cases I either casted to fast or not fast enough.
I was taught as a lvl 10 blm on how to MB but the timing is something I have trouble understanding. =\ Any help on this would be greatly apreciated. >->;
AM - Cast about 3(?) seconds before first person uses WS
AM2 / tier 4 / -Ga 3 - Cast on/just before the first person uses their WS
Tier 3 / -Ga 2 - Cast on/just before second person uses their WS
Tier 2 / -Ga - Cast just after second person uses WS
Tier 1 - Count to 2 and cast after second person uses WS
Enfeebling - Same as Tier 1 nukes pretty much.
This is only from what I remember so I could we be off a little. I'm sure a brack mage will wander through at somepoint and correct what i got wrong. I'm fairly sure these are right.
Edited, Oct 12th 2006 at 1:47pm PDT by Jodwahhfromseraph
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