Hey, some of u may know me(doubt it), but my in game character is Resin, Recently hit level 70 Red Mage, still working on getting to 75 and getting all of my sub jobs leveled.
I have Sky, working on getting as close to sea as possible with my linkshell(which i am the leader of), have Treasures of Aht Urgan up and running.
Just wondering if theres any HNMLS out there that wouldnt mind a member who also needs to run his own LS, meaning i wont be able to make it to every event, trying to keep my social LS active. I can at least be able to give a week(ish) notice on if ill be able to make an event or not. Just hoping theres a way for me to keep in touch with my ls and participate in end game activities, so if anyone has/is part of/knows of an HNMLS that wouldnt mind having me, i would be very appreciated to talk and try and work something out.
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meaning i wont be able to make it to every event
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Edited, Jun 15th 2006 at 7:42pm EDT by Chausie
If I were you, get to level 75 first before asking to join a "HNMLS." Level 75 or very close to 75 is a minimum requirement for a lot of end game LS. There is no need to rush things as level 70.
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Leetfade is a perfect example of someone who can pull off being a contributing member to his HNMLS (YF) and still maintain strong ties to his original LS (Bladeslingers).
I guess it really depends on how dependant your existing LS is on you for daily activities. A friend of mine named Ihsan ran a very fun LS, but for a long time he felt obligated to pretty much do everything for everyone since he was the leader. This of course will burn anyone out, even before you add the hectic HNMLS schedule.
You should be fine if you have other sackholders in the 70+ range who can share the leadership burden, and deal with co-ordinating lower level activities like AF and some zilart/cop missions.
While on the topic of zilart/cop missions... completing as many of these as possible should be a priority for any players aspiring to be an HNMLS member once they reach 70+. The modern groups usually don't have a lot of time to repeat all of those missions for their new members, so getting as far as you can with your existing LS is very important.
I guess it really depends on how dependant your existing LS is on you for daily activities. A friend of mine named Ihsan ran a very fun LS, but for a long time he felt obligated to pretty much do everything for everyone since he was the leader. This of course will burn anyone out, even before you add the hectic HNMLS schedule.
You should be fine if you have other sackholders in the 70+ range who can share the leadership burden, and deal with co-ordinating lower level activities like AF and some zilart/cop missions.
While on the topic of zilart/cop missions... completing as many of these as possible should be a priority for any players aspiring to be an HNMLS member once they reach 70+. The modern groups usually don't have a lot of time to repeat all of those missions for their new members, so getting as far as you can with your existing LS is very important.
LoL Thanks, but I feel I haven't had a very good balance. I've been really lucky in that we have some amazing members of BladeSingers that have stepped up to keep things moving. We actually have a "Council" of 5 members and have also had other step up to keep things moving.
I put a lot of work into getting the LS growing, to the point that I did get royally burnt out, but keeping it going/growing is all on the rest of the members and they're doing a GREAT job.
Now, having said that, there are a few HNMLS that allow you to maintain a chat LS, but the HNMLS life will consume the majority of your game time. It's very very very hard to be active and beneficial to both. :-/
I put a lot of work into getting the LS growing, to the point that I did get royally burnt out, but keeping it going/growing is all on the rest of the members and they're doing a GREAT job.
Now, having said that, there are a few HNMLS that allow you to maintain a chat LS, but the HNMLS life will consume the majority of your game time. It's very very very hard to be active and beneficial to both. :-/
Due to some recent developments, I am having some difficulty to even know what my direction in the game and my relationship with KTO and Nihl. For a very long time, I think I remain quite neutral in the end game, and stay quite far away from "HNM LS," while do make deals with them if I want something, and maintains friends in people who are active in such LS. I am not sure if I want an "end game-only HNM LS", a chat-only LS, or a mixture of both.
I think a good way to deal a balance with chatting LS and end game activity LS... is to make them literally seperate entitiy and do not mix them. End game LS being all business-like, no joke, we are here to do stuff LS. And chat LS just simply chatting.
I persoanlly do not mind "end game greed." If you are not interested in item or gil, why would you even join an end game LS? It is when item greed and game socials mixing up too much that there will a be problem. I still think most important thing is to have fun. Some people like to chat, some people like item, best to allow people with different interest to pursue their own direction instead of focing upon another believe what is right. May be I am seeing wrong, but an overwhelming of the players just join a "HNM LS" because they can and think it is something of prestige or a special club. I think a lot of people really need to think what is their reasons to join an end game LS, and think if they really want to be in one.
Yesterday, I have some good personal chatting with a sack holder of Nihl and Ionstorm (who are good friends of mine) about my thinking of end game LS. I think I just confused myself more.
Edited, Jun 16th 2006 at 11:49am EDT by scchan
I think a good way to deal a balance with chatting LS and end game activity LS... is to make them literally seperate entitiy and do not mix them. End game LS being all business-like, no joke, we are here to do stuff LS. And chat LS just simply chatting.
I persoanlly do not mind "end game greed." If you are not interested in item or gil, why would you even join an end game LS? It is when item greed and game socials mixing up too much that there will a be problem. I still think most important thing is to have fun. Some people like to chat, some people like item, best to allow people with different interest to pursue their own direction instead of focing upon another believe what is right. May be I am seeing wrong, but an overwhelming of the players just join a "HNM LS" because they can and think it is something of prestige or a special club. I think a lot of people really need to think what is their reasons to join an end game LS, and think if they really want to be in one.
Yesterday, I have some good personal chatting with a sack holder of Nihl and Ionstorm (who are good friends of mine) about my thinking of end game LS. I think I just confused myself more.
Edited, Jun 16th 2006 at 11:49am EDT by scchan
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Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Well, Ama, in most cases I would agree with you. However, not all HNMLS are the same. YF is very much like a big family. We joke around a lot, and I really consider it the end-game version of BladeSingers.
There was a period where it was a little rough, but almost all the drama queens have left the LS and now we're doing better than ever.
Honestly, if YF wasn't the way that it is, I think I would have given up on end-game a long time ago. Yes there are times that I look for the clock to punch in on, but that comes with being in an HNMLS.
There was a period where it was a little rough, but almost all the drama queens have left the LS and now we're doing better than ever.
Honestly, if YF wasn't the way that it is, I think I would have given up on end-game a long time ago. Yes there are times that I look for the clock to punch in on, but that comes with being in an HNMLS.
Maybe my tolerance level of game drama and BS are a lot less than other. May that is similar to my real persoanlity, I like to be helpful yet I am impatient and get angry quite easily when things go south. Do I wanted a really nice piece of item? Yes I do, but may be not at the scarifice of time and anger management that I think I can still have fun in the game. I could have been the most well dressed player in the game, but I opted not be one. A major reason I really kept playing is really an addiction.
I used to play Magic The Gathering and board games with my friends, and you see their face and you know what to expect from them. I do not have the best MTG deck nor the best strategies, and I lose all the time, but I had a great time and laugh. There are also game addict, at the same time, their facial expression and real voices give me comfort that I know they are my friend. Things are a lot more tricky when it is online. I seriosuly need a break from FFXI.
Even in other online game... say I suck at an online shooters, but after the game is over dying 30 times, no one remember you. It is complete different story in FFXI, where you are expected to be competitive and do not suck and people will remember you if you suck.
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I used to play Magic The Gathering and board games with my friends, and you see their face and you know what to expect from them. I do not have the best MTG deck nor the best strategies, and I lose all the time, but I had a great time and laugh. There are also game addict, at the same time, their facial expression and real voices give me comfort that I know they are my friend. Things are a lot more tricky when it is online. I seriosuly need a break from FFXI.
Even in other online game... say I suck at an online shooters, but after the game is over dying 30 times, no one remember you. It is complete different story in FFXI, where you are expected to be competitive and do not suck and people will remember you if you suck.
Rant off
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-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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Leetfade is a perfect example of someone who can pull off being a contributing member to his HNMLS (YF) and still maintain strong ties to his original LS (Bladeslingers).
Lol, Yeah it wasn't so bad at first but now Leet's in BS about 5% of his time ingame if that.
I've lost all interest in being a part of endgame.. And, on top of that, it's changes my view of this game and pushed me away from it. It went from having a large group of friends that work together for common goals.. to a bunch of people working together for personal goals.
The common fact i see with people in HNMLS is that they don't usually help unless they get reward (outside of their hnmls). They are so used to getting points or gil or w/e from time invested.. it's not worth their time to just help someone.
I enjoyed doing the events... and meeting new people. But most look at new players as competition for the gear they want.
Meh..
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looking at the amount of social ls you have.. unless they're mostly talk linkshell you might have a hard time to find a balance :3
also getting blm and possible drk (for when you ding 75) up to 37 would be a good idea this allow you to be a more flexible rdm for the linkshell.
and i find think that instead of an open post like this in a forum, go and look at what hnm linkshells are out there, who are the leaders and how do they work, then see which one fits you best and tell the leaders that you're interested and see whether you can get in or not is a better option, this shows that you're more eager to join them and you'd know what's going on, and they know that you've done some research etc.
Different hnmls seems to manage their shell very differently, therefore some would allow the way you play and some wouldn't. good luck ^_^
Edited, Jun 16th 2006 at 4:04pm EDT by SpiraTheWhm
also getting blm and possible drk (for when you ding 75) up to 37 would be a good idea this allow you to be a more flexible rdm for the linkshell.
and i find think that instead of an open post like this in a forum, go and look at what hnm linkshells are out there, who are the leaders and how do they work, then see which one fits you best and tell the leaders that you're interested and see whether you can get in or not is a better option, this shows that you're more eager to join them and you'd know what's going on, and they know that you've done some research etc.
Different hnmls seems to manage their shell very differently, therefore some would allow the way you play and some wouldn't. good luck ^_^
Edited, Jun 16th 2006 at 4:04pm EDT by SpiraTheWhm
Sorry bud, but it's true.
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Lol, Yeah it wasn't so bad at first but now Leet's in BS about 5% of his time ingame if that.
Ok... so Leetfade wasn't the best example. ; ; I left YF in January, and back when he first joined he did seem to bounce back and forth a lot to his old LS. Ahh well.
In a funny turn of events, I actually picked up a bladeslinger shell recently, just to meet more people and keep active now that I no longer hunt HNM. I had been looking for a shell where there were no agendas or people second guessing your motives, just simple conversation and a chance to help people out on zilart/cop and whatever else is going on.
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The common fact i see with people in HNMLS is that they don't usually help unless they get reward (outside of their hnmls). They are so used to getting points or gil or w/e from time invested.. it's not worth their time to just help someone.
I enjoyed doing the events... and meeting new people. But most look at new players as competition for the gear they want.
I enjoyed doing the events... and meeting new people. But most look at new players as competition for the gear they want.
I agree... many people suffer from a "whats in it for me???" disorder at endgame. A lot of people say that to succeed in an HNMLS you must treat it as a part time job, and from that you get a "time is money" mentality.
I still have my "endgame" LS that keeps me active in Dynamis and Sea, and other fun events (plus great people as well). It works well for me since my playtime lately has been substantially reduced so I can log in and help out where I can. Best of all, no one is "keeping score" so I am free to miss a week or two for RL stuff without consequence.
I am in a fortunate situation where I really have nothing I need or want urgently. I am quite content with my gear, financial success and my progress in game (finished CoP, etc). Other then giving me a chance to participate, I don't really "need" anything from my endgame LS. That may change once I start leveling more jobs, but for now I can simply say my status in game these days is "comfortable".
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