Good Bye AllakazhamFollow

You know what!

Cookie for everyone

And flaming here in Alla even with possibly the biggest Alla drama ever still no where close to bad KI dramas ~_^

Edited, Thu May 4 17:09:46 2006 by scchan

I teach undergrad philosophy as a TA. One of my classes was business ethics last semester. I am pretty passionate about where people place thier values sometimes.

Having someone re-examine their own ethical beliefs is an incredibly difficult thing for them to do; hostility towards the one who challenges them to rethink their values is common. I guess if I showed some hostility before it was my own personal reaction. I have probably built up a psychological offense to preemtively combat the hostility I am used to getting when I challenge others to re-examine their own beliefs.

It is difficult teaching any ethics classes for these reasons. It is especially difficult to try to get someone to think about an issue in a different way and at the same time leaving your own agenda at the door. Sometimes I can, but often I do not.

Long response short: sorry



I really hope I didn't come off as flaming. I like to challenge people (obviously) so sometimes my language can be a bit inflammatory. (see above.) I'm sorry if it came off as flaming. Like I stated, I try not to attack what someone believes, but I try to challenge what they believe in and why they choose to care about this and not something else.


...and thanks for the cookie :-)




agreed

{Peace}

just some side notes, for the fun of it.

1. it's "alla", not "allah". unless you really treat this forum like the muslim equivalent of God. oh, i don't doubt the "holiness" of "the Word", but i doubt i'd place "blind faith" in this, especially when there are competing "religions" like "KI", "Somepage" and "MysteryTour"! (oh what wonderful names the various "Gods" possess!)

2. yes, there are other more important things to discuss, but i sometimes query the need to see "the bigger picture", especially when the persons advocating it sometimes fail to understand "the smaller picture" in the first place. hence the derogatory phrases like "living in the ivory tower" and "having the mind for the trivial". balance, people! balance!

3. cookies are passe. we need to look into the future and go for gelatos and pies! ... what are marron glaces anyway? >.>

i can COMPLETELY sympathize. makes me wonder what my virtual mage sees in these desserts. talk about a sugar overdose for a diet. he'll get diabetes someday, and it'll be way too late by the time he comes around to go back to eating virtual fruits.

i just really wonder........ how many of those people protesting have bought gil themselves... :P

I think is bad to assume everyone buy gil, Carmen :(

A lot of people do not, but a lot do buy. So......... But I think people who usually post AllaHkazam tend not to be a gil buyer at least for now or quite recently, and that now Allah owners change their word for $ is why causes such a big drama.

I do find buy gil a little lame consider I got called for charity for all the time and when I see my car in bad shape, and my desire for a HDTV :O

I just think my money worth more in fixing my car or getting homeless people off the street then to get an item, which worth nothing in RL (unless you are IGE :P) But worth of money is different to everyone.

Took me long time to get my Noble Tunic :( and I am proud of it. Game is more fun when you win playing according the agreed rules. And I take pride in what I do in RL for a living, and so what I do for fun.

One thing I do want to say: When you play a game -- FFXI or not --, or work in office, I think it is bad to join the game or company and start complaining the game rules are wrong, or the boss decision is wrong even you know the rules and your boss decision ahead of time.

Your boss pays you, and it is kind of understandable that you are willing to stand a bad boss (and no boss is perfect :P)

But if you don't like the game rules, no one force you to play. Rules, GMs, and the game are not perfect. There are ways to reflect your opinion to SE or the MMORPG service provider if you want changes in the rules. But before rules are changed, play according to the rules. This refer more than RMT, but to a general problem to other grey area "cheating" in the game. You can "dissent" within the premise of the rules.

Add: Just check the main forum........ It is one big flame war and drama there :( Anger is understandable, but there is a rant section of here... It is getting over the board -.- This is literally the biggest Allahkazham drama ever....

Edited, Fri May 5 09:16:53 2006 by scchan

Edited, Fri May 5 09:57:22 2006 by scchan

Just wanted to share this website. Not many people know about it but I think it's one of the best FFXI informational websites out there.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.php/Main_Page

They have a forum set-up that has never even been started by anyone. And sorry but KI and their lag and having to wait 10 minutes for there forum to pop. Not to mention that it purely for flaming, eek!!! (Run-Away){Thanks for the offer, But I'll have to pass.}



Edited, Fri May 5 18:00:56 2006 by Chausie

Not entirely a suprise that Alla sold out but meh its a pretty dead board anyway as of late. I have no love for IGE or any of the little children here that try to defend a gil buying way of life so heres my ..I.. Alla and thanks for flushing my last respects down the *******.



Peace hookers,

Gen.

Animal, I think you are taking what people talking about too personally... The main forums are always kind of flaming place. There are indeed people who enjoy the hype and drama, and talk crap intentionally (/cough Feba). If you do not like what you see, you can always just switch channels. I have the right switch channel to and from Allakahzam, from CNN to Fox, for whatever reason I please.

Don't let people in main forum gets to you, go read KI, it is 10X worse there. People like Phrosty or Takedown constantly got banned by KI moderators and keep coming back with a new nick and talk crap. At least Allah owners have not banned anyone who talk crap against him personally -- that should be considered a very good thing. Honoring freedom of speech in internet when there are no "rules" is very good thing. If people in main forum likes to BS, then let them be.

In someways, that lend creditiblity to the current owners try not to allow IGE ownership to influence here. But I am still I am not convinced by that. If you don't like what I say, I do not mind, but I think you are getting to worked up and more cynical then needs to be. Just have fun in the online world and take a . Everything will be fine.

You truly are an idiot.

If you've left the game, leave these boards. Also, find some kind of peaceful means of venting. Your hostile attitude benefits noone.

Why post such strong sentiments about a game you are no longer involved with? Your comments are rude. The OP hasn't made any rude comments. You are out of line.

Rate up ^^ Amanada

Amanada, sorry your very understandable posts and personal opinions are being questioned and dissected by someone who has no immediate stake in this discussion.

I personally don't care about the merger. I come here because of the server forum and the good guides. Alla, I am sure, made the decision that was right for him.

/cheer Leetfade

When you look at alla as a whole, there is some uncertainty as to what this purchase will mean in the long run. But when it comes to this little corner of their forums, the cerberus community, there is really no reason anything should change.

You can post a request for help on a mission in here, or share your weekend accomplishments with friends. The purpose of this forum has not changed. You do not need a premium membership to keep in touch with your friends here. IGE will not profit from anything said in here, so what reason do you have to make a moral stand?

If you are not a premium member and never click banners, does it not cost alla/IGE money for every post you make and every bit of data sent as people read it? Leech their bandwidth and share stories and info with friends like you have always done.

If you want to make a moral stand, your time can be better spent on raising awareness on real world issues and helping real people. Gil sellers are an inconvenience. African genocide is an atrocity. Find a local non-profit group to volunteer with (These are often staffed by hot college girls, so your social life will improve by leaps and bounds while you're at it.)

I think protesting against what Alla doing does not imply anything to that individual moral or political standing and piority over other issues. And having different piority does not deny the right to protest over a smaller problem. If someone wants to talk about Bush Adminstration or Chinese History, I entertain such discussion, but such discussion will not be too apporiate for a FFXI forum.

You can hold strong opinions about Palestine and Iraq, while holding quite strong opinions about RMT or about your neighbors dog. I can talk to my neibhour or fellow LS mate about US invasion in Iraq, or I can also talk about his dog or RMT hindering my game enjoyment. Having a more grand problem, does not eliminate the need or interest to talk about a smaller problem.

Even I "say Goodbye", but I obviously do not. The forums as for now still good. An issue with IGE interest over Allah is a possible moderation to "make IGE look better" or target advertising. About having premium accounts or not, I still think by allowing IGE has interest here it is possible your premium or non-premium account info will be used for IGE marketing.

Don't you register your email here? Don't you write down some personal info in your profile? Given IGE's somewhat shadowy background, how do you know they will not sell your email to spammers? For long time, Alla selling point is it apparent strong commitment to fair play and give users confidence that they will not sell out player info or input for other reasons. Now that confidence are in serious jeorpady.

Add: I personally strong dislike freedom of speech and expression, and control of flow of information to be moderated or influenced due to corporate interest. As a more "grand problem", have anyone think about what you hear from CNN, BBC, Fox or New York Times, or Disney? They certainly make things look better for themselves, and will try to influence other companies or their media to make positive opinions on things they have stakes on. It is hard to believe IGE will not use the boards to project better opinions on themselves.

Listen to what you hear critically, and make your own opinions about it... whether it is Palestine or IGE. Don't let others determine what is right with you, but do listen to them and think
why they may say the way they are.

Edited, Mon May 8 13:30:53 2006 by scchan