Good Bye AllakazhamFollow

One of the selling point of Allakazham is it support to fair play and encouragement of players to not use support or tools that are considered "improper" by the MMORPG service provider.

Today sys admin of Allakazham admitted that Alla will be sold to the parent holding company who also owns IGE. Yes, the move may make sense in expanding Alla, but I will not compromise the double standardness. You can expand your business Alla, but I will not be your customer or supporter.

I understand money is important, but to me values are just as important. There are things cannot be bought by money. This is not a murder nor any hideous crime, but it is blanant double standardness -- something that plagues in American society everyday. I understand double standardness is needed sometimes, but if Americans will follow more closely to what they preach, American society and its image overseas will greatly improve.

I will not extend my premier membership, and do not expect me to post here even a thread that I think may be useful or interest of me. You can make your money, but you won't be making my money.

Edited, Thu May 4 00:22:34 2006 by scchan

Edited, Thu May 4 00:31:36 2006 by scchan

Yah, that pisses me off. Chances are I'll head back to the dead VN boards or over to a terrible KI...... This just sucks.

Edited, Thu May 4 05:01:35 2006 by Speedly

Quadruple post. THANK YOU, SH*TTY ALLAKHAZAM SERVERS. YOU COME THROUGH ONCE AGAIN.

Edited, Thu May 4 04:56:57 2006 by Speedly

i dont see the problem if it makes allas database better who gives a crap >< i cant wait for alla to update on all new ToAH stuff so what if they linking up to gilseller site just dont click on it stop being over dramactic and carry on with the weekend thread like we normally do the foumrs aint gonan change so why should we

I really don't see what "double-standardness" is happening Amanada. A double standard is when someone expects something from person A and expects a completely different thing from person B. That person then holds two people to two standards: i.e. a double standard.

As far as I am concerned, I do not feel as if this website has held me to any type of moral standard.

If anything I think this website is value neutral.

What exactly do you think will change with its change in ownership?

If you are making a statment in protest about the new ownership, that is one thing. But I think perhaps you might have taken your moral sentiments too far.

Edited, Thu May 4 11:04:07 2006 by galapagosiananna

IMO Double Standard also means the standards hold by yourself. One day Allakahazam owners say one thing, and then another day say something completely opposite.



I feel the freedom of speech and the relatively little moderation of the forums will be jeorpadized to satisfy the interests of the ownership. I am not saying this is something new, it happens everyday in mass media where media say things only they seem profitable for them or satisfy the political and economic agenda. (/cough Fox, CNN) What just happened to Alla just a smaller show of a bigger common problem. I believe everyone should have the right to say any opinion they hold unless it becomes nothing but trades of insults.

Animal, I do not like to flame, if I want a flame war I would have posted on those Feba flaming threads on the main forum. The point I say here is to remain relatively low key, and I doubt everyone understand why this change of ownership could be an issue. A key issue for KI is that KI probably have no say what ads they can use, and KI has taken no stance in RMT. I don't mind a person being communist, Republican, or Pro-Nader or whatever, but I do mind people being inconsistent in what they say. You have the freedom of belief, but I do think people should at least try to pracitice what they belief. It is hard to do, but in Alla, I don't think they need to do what they are trying to do. One of the stance of Alla owners for a very long time is to play fair along the rules. It is no surprise on main forums and even here in Cerberus forums are strongly anti-RMT and botting. That was what the owners promote too -- fair play and RMT and botting is considered cheating in FFXI. What owners just did is to reverse what they had promoted a very long time. Alla just lost his uniqueness and their defining character.



Edited, Thu May 4 11:38:33 2006 by scchan

Edited, Thu May 4 11:39:50 2006 by scchan

Sorry Leet, my english was not too good. I admit I used the wrong choice of word to lead to confusion. Heh, At least I wasn't as crazy as Feba in main forum even he said he will not going to post, and still continue to post pages of flame war :P I am hypocrite too. :P

A lot of posters argue in main forum that nothing will change -- that is a lie -- something WILL change, but we just do not know the degree. It is better to "pre-emptive strike" to possible undesired change and keep them in check (if it works at all).

Lynchilles,

My issue is not with China or 3rd world industries or how gil farming factory "works" if that is what you are trying to imply.

Welcome to business world where money determines everything. Not everyone believe in that. I don't mind people making money, but you can make money and have class. Heh, Bill Gates and late Dave Thomas pour huge sums of money in charity (literally like half of the money they make). Ask Walton family and Mudrock to do the same thing :P

Ok since China got brought up... I will say I really think about China change.

Even working conditions in China may be sub-par in American standards, change is happening very fast and quality of living is without doubt improving in China. I recall seeing on BBC or Times Magazine website quoting a former UN Sec General saying no one has done more then Deng Xiao Peng (former China leader from 1976-1990) has done more in improving the quality of life in China. China quality of life from mid 1800s till the death of Mao (1976) is sh*t -- internal warfare, wars with European powers and Japan till the end of WWII (with China always losing until WWII), corruption and poor goverance of Chang Kai Shek and Ching Dynasty (lead by Empress Dowager) government till 1949 and was changed to famine and brutal rule under Mao till Mao death.

Wiki actually have a good articles of modern China history... It is very depressing. And a lot of such sad history has no one to blame but to Chinese themselves.

There are still poor and homeless people in China, environment pollution is terrible in China, worker rights and safety are not well protected. But at least there are no famine, no war, most can have electricity and can afford at least a TV or a car. That is unthink of even 30 years ago. Even President Bush himself said, China now is nothing what he think it is.

Things are continue to change in China, and even quality may still be sub-par, it is heading the right direction. China never enjoyed this good goverance, strife free society over a century. That should be considered good. And do consider cost of living of China is also much lower than US, so even income is less, the consumer purchasing power is not actually that much weaker in China.

Edited, Thu May 4 13:01:08 2006 by scchan

Sometimes do need to say things aloud (louder than "needed") to get the point across. I will not say morals > dollar. Sometimes when desperate, you will do whatever you need to. I just wish to see a compromise in the meaning of dollar and morals. I think you can maintain to be dollar-sensible while holding up pretty good and consistent morals. You can filty rich robber barron or a be a poor hero and live poor and with honor... That is not what I am trying to say, I just thinks there is always a compromise spot.

I just think status quo of Alla is fine. What owners did go against what they preach with the reasoning of improving the status quo. Heh Ichiro said, "Why mess with success?" when asked how he bats. Isn't Alla successful right now?

My posts have obviously been misinterpreted.

I am merely questioning where our moral priorities lie. People are posting about the outrage they feel about this situation. All over on many boards people are complaining about this great injustice. They threaten to stop posting in protest, move to other forums, etc.


Get over it.


There are significantly better things to complain about and I think it is somewhat disgraceful when people choose such a comparatively morally devoid topic (such as the hypocritical sale of a video game forum to a holding company) as the basis for a moral platform.

Hence: "...the things we choose to care about."

On a second note

I said to look at the tags on your clothes.

We are so disgusted about Alla selling out and we feel their actions are hypocritical. Yet many of us wear clothes imported from countries that violate basic human rights. Many of us wear clothes made by child-labor.

I am one of those people unfortunately. I have clothes made in questionable locations. However, I have tried to learn about these things, and now when I go shopping, I try to be a little more careful about what I bring to the check-out counter. However, these clothes still make up part of my wardrobe.

This is just one example. So before I go calling the kettle black...

I am just sad that we take for granted such a priviliged position sometimes, and direct our self-made moral righteousness in the most inappropriate of places.

If you want this forum to play host to social justice topics, why not make it a real topic instead of the injustice of a video game forum sponsorship...

{Peace}

Edited, Thu May 4 16:24:03 2006 by galapagosiananna

Wow.... you've got some pent up hostility bro. LoL.

Well to be honest, I never read the main forums. This was the first I even heard about it. Sooooo... I don't have the same "I'm sick of hearing about it" mentality that you have. I tend to take everything on a case-by-case basis anyways (at least TRY to LoL).

Anyways.. no use getting so worked up by anyone. It was a business decision that was made that, honestly, has nothing to do with us and has no real impact on us. If more people choose to participate in RMT because of it, it's not Alla's choice, but the individuals.

Anyways, enough said on the topic. (>^^)> Next. LoL