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#1 Mar 13 2006 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, so I'm confused.

I have totally lost track of which HNMLS/Major LS used to be which. But they've changed names so often that I can't keep track of anything anymore.

Which ones have changed names, and to what?

I know that PaiMei is now something else...KnightsOfNi changed names too...WeStickTogether broke and then reformed? Or its people got absorbed? Did WhirlingWind used to be something else, or has it always been WW?

I'm totally lost.
#2 Mar 13 2006 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I think there is need a stop of branding of all end game LS as "HNMLS". I think it is also best to seperate Sky LSs also with timed popped HNM LS.

I think the major divisions are:

Sky/Tu'Lia Gods (basically all popped 4 Gods NMs in Ru'An Garden, Kirin in the Shrine, and all the pops items for the Gods)
Ground Gods (Fafnir, Nidhogg, Tiamat, Aspichonle (sp), etc)
Lesser Ground HNMs (Serkit, King Anthro etc)
Sea (Popped Sea NMs including Jailer of ~)
Dynamis (special battle areas where monsters drop relic weapons and AF2. The plot are tied with Shadow Lord and CoP storyline)
Limbus (mini-Dynamis looking battle areas that require access of Sea)

The major NA / high-level endgame LSs include:

Dynasty (formely KnightsofNi) (Ground Gods, Sea, Dynamis)
WhirlingWind (Ground Gods, Sky, Dynamis, Sea)
Nihl (Sky, Dynamis)
IonStorm (Sky, Dynamis)
LifeAfterDeath (Sky, Dynamis)
DynamisLordHNMLS (Dynamis)
YourFantasy (Ground Gods, Lesser Ground NMs, Sky, Dynamis)
MijinGakure (Not familar with this LS)

I think there is a few LSs I have been missing. Just mentioning the names of the one I actually know. There also simiar JP LSs like HighPower, Cato LS, Boo LS, Keisuke LS etc etc

Edited, Mon Mar 13 15:17:31 2006 by scchan
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#3 Mar 13 2006 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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The only two name changes I am aware of are

Knightsofni = Dynasty

and

NoThx = IonStorm

We, in Ion, have also toppled most the ground HNMs as well as getting involved in a serious relationship with Omega, Ultima and the gods of Sea.
#4 Mar 13 2006 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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What happened to PaiMei, then? Didn't they change names? Or did they break entirely and their members were absorbed?
#5 Mar 13 2006 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
theirs also Cato ls that change name

HNMLSkingbehemot = a name i cant spell lol but the pearl is a blue if i remember
#6 Mar 13 2006 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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VanadielsFinest (VF) is also an up and coming HNMLS.

We take on Sky Gods, Lesser ground HNM's, NM's, Dynamis, and are almost to Sea and are continually growing and learning.





PS: I am gonna tell Maxemus you left him off the list Ama!! <wink!>

Edited, Mon Mar 13 17:32:09 2006 by lewbaby
#7 Mar 13 2006 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I am seeing Mclean recently in the game. So is Safara coming back sometime soon :P?

Add:
Oh about Cato LS... It is called HNMLSNekoNekoCat. Neko = Cat in Japanese... So literally it is HNMLS Cat Cat Cat o.O

Edited, Mon Mar 13 17:35:54 2006 by scchan
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#8 Mar 13 2006 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Ummmm... they are no longer together Ama >.> ... so not sure. Glad Mac is back though!!
#9 Mar 13 2006 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it is generally "bad" to call lesser ground NMs as "HNM"s anymore, nor I call Sky gods as HNMs. The reason is that for lesser ground "HNM"s, they are not so much hard to kill as in "HNM" meaning strong NMs. If I ever decide to camp Serkit, I only really need a Ninja next to me to kill it (with me being White Mage). So "strong" is not really a good description for such NMs, but of course the competition for them is still crazy... Claim is much harder than the kill.

Sky Gods are not HNM per say in they are heavily competed. The only heavily competed pop item in Sky is Ulli. With the exception of Kirin and Byakko, Sky Gods can be killed with 10-12 experienced people who are familiar with the god. With a really good group, you can even kill Genbu with an exp PT. The pop items of Genbu can also be obtained with an exp PT. I am sure you heard of the story a Red mage solo Genbu. A lot of "older" chat LS can take on Sky gods now without a problem, and I am seeing Maxemus trying that now :P

Sorry to hear Saf no longer with Mac... I know Saf... since first day of the game. Saf was like "god" when he is wearing AF when I am still like level 40 @_@ That was VERY long time ago.

Edited, Mon Mar 13 17:43:28 2006 by scchan
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#10 Mar 13 2006 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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What about NerfedLS we are pretty good imo.
We do a ton of dynamis twice a week always and have most of our members up to the northland dynamis's.
we do Sky Gods and Kirin although not as much lately, idk why just seems we go a week or 2 inbetween sky nights.
#11 Mar 13 2006 at 6:46 PM Rating: Good
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Maxe and DV are trying very hard to get VanadielsFinest to be a highLevelLS and so far they are suceeding. As far as I know, they have taken down most of the Sky gods and can farm Sky easily. I know that isn't the greatest success story but for a Chat LS to start that is very admirable. Most just let their members go off to other highlevelLS and break up.
#12 Mar 13 2006 at 9:40 PM Rating: Good
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don't forget Bladesingers... you know.. the shell that the HL shells steal some of their members from :-)



Edited, Mon Mar 13 21:41:51 2006 by Mattea
#13 Mar 13 2006 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
It don't matter. Their egos to big to get along and all they do is fight and claim whose better. When the time comes to do AV whose gonna drop the pride and alliance to beat the thing?
#14 Mar 13 2006 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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lol PaiMei isn't broken.
#15 Mar 13 2006 at 11:34 PM Rating: Good
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Every Praetorian but two got absorbed into IonStorm. Don't know if that means anything though. Maybe Samiex and I led some of the best. ^^ I am damn proud of my former fellow LS members and what we accomplished.
#16 Mar 14 2006 at 1:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Mijin Gakure is not really an HNMLS. More of an End Game Linkshell as our leader Atreyu calls it.

We go after all divisions listed and arent always on the clock for HNM's and the like.

You forgot to add Nerfed to that list of yours btw, as they are a damned good Dynamis LS, I've had the pleasure of doing Dynamis with them.
#17 Mar 14 2006 at 1:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Maxemus is a great guy. I know him for a very long time. He will run a good LS. About PM, I was talking to Omegacloud today -- someone like Max that I knew for VERY long time. Things are going quite well for PM too -- despite of that thread I read recently on KI. I saw Tribal has a Dynasty LS pearl now. And I know notice Dynasty had gotten A LOT of people recently, and some such people grab had lead some really bad fights.... From what I hear, I am quite surprised even the people who are involved in those fights. It is my opinion that it is possible to move around LS without causing big fights and excessive bitterness. I know someone who did that very well. When Elyas left KTO, there were some bitterness, but people let him go nicely. Yet there are departures that are left with nothing but big fights and dramas...

I like the way I am doing right now. Glad to see Marzi, Hobbes Luchs, and Natael are still with us in KTO. HoE is mostly a casual chat LS now, but I like it this way. And DynamisLord gives me chance to meet up with some older friends like Requil that dates before I am part of KTO.

I am a hardcore player in someways -- I am an "elistist" in play skill and in player altitude, but also I dislike very business and intense "work" like style play.

HNMLS -- in its "traditional" form -- is not something I like, but there are people who like the excitement.

Edited, Tue Mar 14 01:59:30 2006 by scchan
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#18 Mar 14 2006 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Thehopefull was probably the best one I've ever been in(only being in 2, but I don't count Ionstorm since they only used me for Dynamis..) too bad as I predicted, cause ALL GOOD THINGS DONT LAST AS LONG AS I WOULD LIKE(but for everyone else it does..) the pearl broke and well yeah.

Play style with an HNMLS isn't a big concern for me. Since I was around some really cool people..and I say that strongly, I imagine I'd be picky if I wanted to get in another.
#19 Mar 14 2006 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Quote:
NoThx = IonStorm


NoThx = LostExp = IonStorm

I never really had much experience with NoThx but LoadExp was a good group.. Had a really cool Taru in there for a little while.. :)

HNMLS is just a silly title, thats sorta of catch-all for all high level LS. I wouldn't really call Nerfed one but you have to at least be 65 to even be put up for vote, and we do Dynamis Limbus Sky gods etc etc, but rarely ground HNMs. (tho I'm getting pressure for a few black belt items so who knows..) However that being said, most would throw Nerfed into the HNMLS category.

For a little history lesson, Nerfed actually branched out from LostExp right before they reformed as IonStorm. (although very few current members used to be in that shell)
#20 Mar 14 2006 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
I just started an HNMLS.

Its called CatoMustDie
#21 Mar 14 2006 at 8:30 PM Rating: Decent
I was just in sky lvling with pld/smn/whm/sam/rng and WW members Sacryd Exceed Bluenu and Spiffy just came in and started killing all the mobs. ALL OF THEM! With TP burn

I promise if ANY of WW is lvling a low lvl job and you see me come into the area I am killing ALL of the mobs in the area. That was extremely rude of them and I am a firm believer in do on to others as they do on to you.
#22 Mar 14 2006 at 9:04 PM Rating: Good
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I promise if ANY of WW is lvling a low lvl job and you see me come into the area I am killing ALL of the mobs in the area.


Good luck with that.

and just for the record Bluenu isn't with WW.
#23 Mar 15 2006 at 2:33 AM Rating: Decent
I calmed down after moving to lufaise to lvl. Don't really care anymore. Just gonna add to blist and keep going on. Its good to see they think they own the server. Its a shame WW can be even considered elite with attitudes like that.
#24 Mar 15 2006 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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TP burn PTs is really not a LS specific thing... Roaming PTs are something "hot" now. And it has been criticized as excluding other jobs to be able to PT "in the old fashion way". In KRT and U Range, roaming PTs can do 10k+ hour with chain 50+ possible when there is little competition and players are skilled.

And yes... Bluenu is Paimei I think... Bluenu was KoN member for very long time thou.

Anyway HNMLSs are over-rated :P Sometimes I will go help camp some Sky pop items, but pretty much it. Takes too much time, and I am already busy enough in RL and in game.

Just play the game for fun and show respect to other players. I do think people should stood up against "bad behavior" if it is seen as good among a lot of people (cough PL cough). That is all I want to see.

Edited, Wed Mar 15 09:26:18 2006 by scchan
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but when there is nothing left to take away.
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#25 Mar 15 2006 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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Bluenu is with IonStorm.
#26 Mar 15 2006 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Dahlgren

This is actually first time I hear Ionstorm directly compare themselves with NoThx. I know about IonStorm roots, but never really hear they call themselves NoThx II (NoThx III actually including Lostexp :P) until quite recently.

I guess you guys are doing quite well, and have well exceeded what NoThx were able to do in the past. I remember Jonathan banters very LONG time ago that "NoThx can never kill Fafnir" (It was meant to be humour). Yesterday I saw a LaD member wearing Martial body. Unless that person bought it off from a different LS, I guess LaD claimed Nidhogg and killed it. A lot of LSs have make big strides now.

With the improvment of equipment and play experience, now even higher level NA or JP chat LS with 10-12 people can farm in Sky and Dynamis now, and has the ability to take down Zilart ground gods (I think 10-12 people are enough to kill Fafnir).

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-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel

Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand

A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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