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#1 Mar 11 2006 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
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In this game is it about attitude, or how you play? Or a little of both?

And of course how you present yourself on your server's forum can effect your reputation in game.

Edited, Sat Mar 11 16:21:05 2006 by Zaleshea
#2 Mar 12 2006 at 2:01 AM Rating: Good
Yes, yes, and yes.

I would much rather have an average player with a good attitude than a hot-shot as*hat.

As far as these boards go, I appreciate someone having an opinion and being willing to speak their mind. By the same token, posting on the boards can expose a person as an immmature/ignorant player who the average "just looking to have fun playing a game" player might want to avoid.

Having a good attitude will make up for any lack of playing skills, as a player with a good attitude will be one who listens, watches, and learns quickly. It is an added plus that it is such a player that others want to party with.
#3 Mar 12 2006 at 10:32 AM Rating: Default
Nyruu the Braindead wrote:
Yes, yes, and yes.

I would much rather have an average player with a good attitude than a hot-shot as*hat.

As far as these boards go, I appreciate someone having an opinion and being willing to speak their mind. By the same token, posting on the boards can expose a person as an immmature/ignorant player who the average "just looking to have fun playing a game" player might want to avoid.

Having a good attitude will make up for any lack of playing skills, as a player with a good attitude will be one who listens, watches, and learns quickly. It is an added plus that it is such a player that others want to party with.


Yeah you gotta love this. Not picking on you guys or you specifically Nyruu im just talking about people I run into. Maybe they fall into the "ignorant" group. Im solo exping and they come and park thier party on top of me and /tell me to leave. Yeah ok. Cya and I dont mean Cya as in I'm leaveing. If pple are respectful I in turn respect them. Dont come up and start talking trash and EXPECT someone to move/help you or you may just get the cold shoulder and ignored. I cant help where you decide to camp when things start going down.

People need to look at things from both sides of the perspective rather than seeing "ME ME ME ME" all the time. There are some people in this game I will bend over backwards and spend countless hours helping. There are others though if I see them take a dirt nap I might check thier bazarr as I run by but leave them dead on the ground.

Reputation yes is important. Yet playing the political harp to fit in and kiss up to people in a game to get things no thanks. I am what I am, who I am just as you or any other person. Respect each other and let the reputation take care of itself.
#4 Mar 12 2006 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I understand the both of you. Through my eyes I've seen players say some unprovoked rude things to other players. Sometimes I'd sit there and ask myself "why do people do this online?". Putting my foot in mouth I'm still haunted by that one time I went up the deep end with someone in this game.

There were players though who'd apologize for any inconveniance they'd cause. There are even those who are willing to make amends after being heated rivals for so long.

Bad play style should reflect attitude.
#5 Mar 12 2006 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
Knowledge is power.

See the period at the end there? That means it applies to most all things. A person who knows how to play their job and knows how other jobs contribute to a party will not only help build a better reputation for said player, but will also give them opportunities hidden to those less knowledgable... (IE: Solo'ing SMN from 54-62 on bombs in Ifrit's Cauldron or soloing bcnm20 "Shooting Fish"; and that's just the smn job)

Also, good attitude is a major contributor... you can have all the knowledge of every being in the world, but if you don't know how to express it or deliever it correctly to the pupil that needs to still learn, that pupil will be resistant in learning and even more resistant in having anything to do with you. So attitude is also a major factor/contributor.

Personally, I hold very little opinion of things said on the server's forum tho. Reason being is it is here, on the forum and not in game. A discussion is not as elaborate in game as it is on a forum. Mainly cause the character restrictions, but mostly cause people take turn talking and differences can be resolved easier. However, forums always have heat somewhere... and if you're going to judge someone on that, I feel it's unfair and unjust as server forums != cerberus' Vana'diel. (!= means "is not equal to")
#6 Mar 13 2006 at 6:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Respect each other and let the reputation take care of itself.


Exactly! That is how a good reputation comes to be. Not from always being generous or accommodating, but respecting the person behind the pixels. There is always a certain amount of compromise when dealing with a world full of people, but someone who makes room for differences is the one whos world gets bigger. In game and in RL.

I will disagree somewhat with Nebz on the point of the boards. I think someone who is consistently immature or disrespectful on the boards is most likely the same in other outlets, including in-game. I will concede the boards can skew the view of a person in one respect; a bad or angry day is preserved forever. Thank goodness we have the ability to edit ;)
#7 Mar 13 2006 at 9:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I have my fair share of bad altitude outburst :( Had a bad one last Saturday when helping Divine Might >< But glad we won without much difficulty -- no wipe :P

But I try to be helpful as I can, but LS stuff keep me more than busy recently when I can get online. If I cannot help you, may be it is just I am having a bad day, or just too busy ; ;
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#8 Mar 13 2006 at 1:29 PM Rating: Default
yes reputation is important, but people base reputation or anything.


Exemple, yes sumtime i act like an *** on the board (alla or KI), but people that really know me in the game knows im a kind an attention person, of course i still have my hate of HNMLS and account buyer (a.k.a littleyuuki (its not the real anymore)).

But i take care of my friends and my ls like if it were my familly.

But sadly people dont trust for that they only trust what they see on the FFXI board.

so reputation is important but sadly interperated wrong.

I'm sure there alot of people who got judge badly without even needed it and people has good reputation when they need a bad one.



Edited, Mon Mar 13 13:30:05 2006 by finalff
#9 Mar 13 2006 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I will disagree somewhat with Nebz on the point of the boards. I think someone who is consistently immature or disrespectful on the boards is most likely the same in other outlets, including in-game. I will concede the boards can skew the view of a person in one respect; a bad or angry day is preserved forever. Thank goodness we have the ability to edit ;)


By disagreeing with an askewed perception of my point, you've proven my point. Those that are consistantly asshats will be deamed with such reputation... but simply because I disagree with someone on the boards over certain matters does not mean that they aren't a cool person and fun to play around with in game... it just means we have different opinions on some things and the difference of opinions leads to a variety of personality... which makes things interesting and worthwhile in the beginning. Afterall, can you imagine how drab these boards would be if OP states something, second person backs it up with proof and the next 30 people all just say things along the lines of "rate up", "so true", "seriously, that's how it is", "yup", "you got it", "yeah", etc... with difference of opinions, it keeps that ball rolling rather than just fizzing out because what the next person was going to say had already been said. I was simply trying to express that one should not judge too harshly for someone bringing a sensible debate to the table and/or standing up for themselves or others when unjustly treated... If anyone is to be judged, it should be those who unjustly treat others.
#10 Mar 13 2006 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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In short, I believe that play style and attitude are some what unrelated. Sure, if there's a person that's consistently a prick to everyone, it's a fairly safe bet that they engage in such activities as botting and MPKing others. However, there are instances where you have really, really good players and they know it - and it's gone to their head. So, it can really go either way on that point.

However, reputation follows you through the game. Act like a prick to everyone, and your invites will start dropping off. More than once have I been looking for people to fill a spot in a party, saw a name of someone that acts like a complete idiot or is out-of-line rude to people, and passed them up, sometimes to the end of disbanding the party.

On a more personal level, I'm sure many of you know when I began posting on these boards. Of course, I gained a great deal of my notoriety in the Cetranne series of threads. But even to this day, I get people sending me tells: "zomg u wer teh guy who posted all that stuffs on th cetrane thread lolololol!!1!1!" and the likes. Is the (for lack of a better word at the moment) fame nice? Sure. I don't know anyone who doesn't like a little bit of popularity. But it's in the past, and honestly, it's a part of my posting life that I'm not particularly proud of. She's gone (hopefully), the threads have long since dropped off of the front page of the Cerberus server forum, and yet, I still have to deal with it. But I've earned it through my actions and through all the things I said. That is my reputation coming back at me.

I know this is kind of an abrupt ending, but I had a nice ending that flowed with the rest of it, and then my brain went BZZT! *smoke* and I ran out of things to say. So... yeah. Wish me luck on 73 tonight, eh?
#11 Mar 15 2006 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
No way Nebz! I enjoy reading your posts most of all, I think. I totally agree with the right to disagree, as long as it is handled in a respectful manner. Creativity cannot flow if everyone is always in agreement or afraid to disagree.

I guess I need to clarify. By being a jerk on the boards, I mean the name calling (n00b), racisim (JP suck), being outright insulting (wtf? duh, everyone knows that), creating threads just to stir trouble and hurt feelings, and the like.

Speedly has a good point about egos of good players affecting their game. That would be a whole other aspect of the discussion, and would certainly qualify as a bad attitude if not kept in check.

Elitism is something that has prevented many players from learning the game due to fear of asking questions. An experienced player would not want anyone to know that they "didn't know that already," and a new player might get bashed for asking something we assume everyone knows. It happened to me when I first started playing, and I have learned to not ask any questions in these boards.

I guess it would be safe to say I am a strong advocate for healthy discussion, and feel strongly about bad attitudes. I also feel that someone who would be demeaning here would have the same attitude in-game, as it all stems from lack of respect for other players.

Edited, Wed Mar 15 08:50:05 2006 by Nyruu
#12 Mar 15 2006 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Speedly has a good point about egos of good players affecting their game. That would be a whole other aspect of the discussion, and would certainly qualify as a bad attitude if not kept in check.

Elitism is something that has prevented many players from learning the game due to fear of asking questions.


Sometimes I do wish people to ask more questions and willing to take quite direct criticisms. Some people that has dealt with me when I am bad mood... knows what I will say when I see something I do not like in the game when I am bad mood >< I can get really blunt and direct.

I admit I have shown egos in the game sometimes. Sometimes a lot of players (more senior ones) just do not want to deal with new players. They think it is "wasting their time" for stress and less fun. I try hard not to do that, but sometimes I do have given in to that.

I think it is best for new players not only willing to ask questions, but also willing to find the answers themselves. Sometimes you really wish people will be able to just come to Alla to look up some really basic information about quests and items.

In the end, I think both new and senior players should step back a little bit. Do not expect to be helped while trying to help yourself is the best way to approach a problem. When FFXI came out, all the new JP or NA levels 1 have absoltuely no clue what to do. They figured it out -- and possibly with the hardest way. I want people to think about that when asking people for help. And also I want senior players to remember days that they got helped through things.

If you keep remembering the days you got helped, and the days people were trying to first kill Shadow Lord or Genkai I... your game will be much better.

Edited, Wed Mar 15 09:35:15 2006 by scchan
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#13 Mar 15 2006 at 11:07 AM Rating: Default
It's interesting that people tie bad play style to bad attitudes, because I've been told on many occasions that I have a poor attitude at times (half the time its my friends or linkshell that says that), but that I can play well. Even yesterday a NIN in my party said I was one of the best WHM's that he'd partied with (not trying to inflate my ego here, but it gave me a good feeling)

Sure, I'm not a veteran player, I've been playing for just over a year, but if I get asked for help, I will usually oblige and help in any way I can.

But on the other hand, if anyone says something that I don't agree with, or I think somebody is a total jackass, I won't hesitate to say so =)

Attitude has no effect on the skills people have within the game.
#14 Mar 15 2006 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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But a bad attitude will turn people away from you regardless of skill.

Oh an Cal your bad(mild) attitude is not constant.

Edited, Wed Mar 15 11:45:16 2006 by Zaleshea
#15 Mar 15 2006 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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One key issue in just life in general (also apply to FFXI) is that overall desire to progress, and willing to sacrifice morals for interest. People will still hire someone who is really good even that person is a complete "jack ***".

The question is now... What is being "jack ***"? And a lot of that really depends on the individual, and is always tainted with personal interest and bias. I try not be bias, but sometimes it cannot be helped... When 2 people are asking me for help -- a friend and a stranger. I will help my friend first. And sometimes I will not even respond to teleport requests or other help requests unless it is my friend -- considering I am quite busy already, if I got free time to do something for myself, it is less likely for me to drop what I am doing to help a stranger.

This is why making friends are important in the game. I hate to say this, but the "monkeys" :P in KTO and HoE and sometimes in DynamisLord keep me busy with enough already @_@ Sometimes hard to do anything else.

Edited, Wed Mar 15 11:49:36 2006 by scchan
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#16 Mar 15 2006 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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scchan, King of Bards wrote:
One key issue in just life in general (also apply to FFXI) is that overall desire to eat pancakes!


o_o?
#17 Mar 15 2006 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
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-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel

Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand

A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
#18 Mar 17 2006 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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YOU DON'T LIKE MISTER CHANS' PANCAKE MIX?????!!!!

And yes I love pancake play. I will run it all into the ground til I get tired of it. Not when you will get tired of it because you like and eat pancakes!

Edited, Fri Mar 17 12:36:23 2006 by Zaleshea
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