Any Vacancies in your local library?Follow

This has been happening to me for a while.. but i really need to put it out there for all those morons who dont speak too much english.

Vacancy means.. Availability.. means.. openings.. means..

IM ASKING YOU IF THERES ANY ROOM IN YOUR PT FOR ME!!!!!!!!

Hopefully this will resolve the problem and cure all the illiterate morons playing this game.

Thank you for your time.

N00b.

I do have occasional problems for people asking PT like:

"{Party}?" (or simply a blind invite -- but I tolerate blind invites under level 25)

Yes it is simple. Yes I understand what you mean. But it only takes minimal effort to make that a complete sentence. The reason why making a complete sentence is important, is that it shows you are paying more effort to form a PT -- a sign that PT is well organized and thoughtful.

Simplicity is good, but presentation is also quite important too. I actually had an argument with this with a certain quite regular poster here and a quite well known NA Paladin in the game... but let's not get there.

But attempting to communicate with courtesey and better presentation does make the person who you tried to talk to feel more comfortable. Speaking both precisely, clearly, and well presented is an "art" from common socialing in a pub to business and research conferences -- knowing what you can say, and how to say it at the right context and social setting. From a pub to a meeting, communication is all about getting your idea across while making your audience interested, calm, and happy anyway.

About OP:

I will be direct: If I am leader, I do not like people ask me if there are vacanices. I think it should up to leader/PT starter to decide if a certain jobs fit the PT -- that includes what SCs are possible (yes I do check SC table when making a "balanced PT").

Sometimes in a LS or Friends PT, I will have more leeway in decide to who to invite, but in a PT with mostly strangers... clearly a working PT formation pays more weight.

some people can't spell vacancies, vacancy or any derivative thereof... and I think you wanted to put vocab library and not local library? I dunno... but I was about to hook you up with a job at a library here in Vegas... thought that's what that was about.. either that or thought you might be speaking of the library in Windurst Waters...

Either way, if they don't understand Vacancy, do not fret or get upset... I'm sure our national president thinks the word means time off of work for some rest and relaxation... if they don't understand, explain. The ignorant do not learn by being shunned, but they have hope of learning if you can show them a way to understand it. IE: If they do not know what vacancy is, ask "Is there any room in the party?". If that still does not work, it's most likely due to language barrier in which case, you can give up or try "{Looking for Members}?" or something along those lines...

Edited, Tue Feb 7 16:43:14 2006 by ElvaanKrem

if i remmeber right.. in the auto translate function there is actually a translation for "any vacancies" not in game right now so can't check.



lol.

i call it a debate, or expressing a different point of view... XD

oh, worth asking.

i asked once, and almost got a pt. =)
by that time i got the return though, i was in another. >.>

and as a pt leader, i respect people who KNOW to ask.
at least it demonstrates they are pro-active in getting a pt.

although i must say, i'm annoyed at those who ask me when i am already in an obvious xp place, e.g. kuftal tunnel. please, if you want to ask, i'd recommend keeping it confined to the cities.

Just to add my two INT+ to this...
Amanada, why do you murder each thread with so much non sense. I don't post much for anything on this site but i always see you spamming the site with your crazy thoughts. Can't someone make a simple post and keep it simple? I agree with you Buko, I get retards that don't understand too. Rude much?

I've noticed there's this attitude on the part of the Japanese in this game that they don't bother to use the translator. Often times you'll see search comments for people seeking that are Japanese not use the translator at all. While English players will make extensive use of it. The English playing community tries to meet the Japanese community half way in the middle by using the translator and the Japanese don't seem interested in playing ball. They just prefer to put up comments like "{Japanese} ONLY."

Using the things like the examples you give above is absolutely pointless because if you use it then they respond to you in Japanese. So what's the point? Then I have to ask them to use the auto-translator. If you can't read and write Japanese then don't bother trying to use it. If you can then by all means use it to communicate with those that would rather use Japanese.

Also I find your sentences to be overly formal. I'm not interested in being formal, I just want to communicate, get a yes or a no and move on. If they'd rather not party with me because I used the translator to ask them then that's their loss. It's not about trying to be l33t in talking, it's about trying to communicate effectively when you don't both speak the same language.

Yes you can redo the quest to get your AF1. This is how I'd recommend you do it. First of all do *NOT* turn in the items to the NPC to upgrade yet.

If you still have your AF1 weapon drop it. Place the full set of AF1 in the storage guy. Go find the guy in Jeuno that charges 10k for you to clear your AF quests from your quest log so you can redo them.

Now go redo your AF1 weapon quest. Depending on which piece you want to upgrade you may have to do just one or several more pieces. Usually you can get away with just activating all the quests for the pieces before the piece you want to upgrade. So run around and activate the quests until you have access to the one that grants the one you want to upgrade.

Note that the quest for the hands must be active before you can open any of the coffers/chests unless the coffer/chest you have to open is attached to another specific quest that shows in your quest log.

Once you've got the item you want to upgrade requested, go to the NPC and turn it in to be upgraded. And you're done.

Side note: If you leave the hand quest open you may want to go ahead and finish it anyway. You can only have one AF hand quest open at any time. So this may cause problems when you do this for another job or if you level up a new job and want to get AF for it.

Yes it's a complete pain in the butt. I'll tell you that I didn't do it that way when I did mine. I turned my items in and then started dropping pieces to redo the quests. Problem is since I'd already turned my boots in I had to actually drop pieces to get them out of my inventory so I could activate quests. So I ended up doing a lot more work than I probably should have had to do. So I haven't personally tried the storage guy trick, but I've heard that it works. So if you do the above let me know how well it worked for you.

I realize there's some cultural issues here. Here we have a game that's almost always about partying. You've got people from all over the world playing it and not even speaking the same language. Square-Enix comes up with this auto-translator function to help us communicate and then doesn't put a good way to ask someone if they want to party. At least not from my perspective.

If we need some of these formalities to make the Japanese comfortable why doesn't Square put something along the lines of what Amanada suggested into the translator? Seems like there's a lot of things they could add to it that would make it easier to communicate. Unfortunately, all they ever seem to add is a bunch of useless things like {XBox Guide button} or names of avatars that are already the same for everyone (character names, mob names, etc... are all already in English).

And no I don't find it a hassle to speak to them, I make an effort to use the translator. I don't expect them to speak English and I'd hope they didn't expect me to speak Japanese. I just think we all have to accept that there's going to be some awkwardness because of the solution we have for communicating is imperfect and not to judge each other on the basis of that.

I think you over-estimate the English skills of Japanese people. And people that ignore tells are just no only JPs... They are both bad JPs and ENs, and sometimes a little understanding that some people are just more uncomfortable to talk to foreigners will make you feel better. Regardless of race, country of origin, no one has the responsiblity to talk to you. I am so used to being ingored (by JP or NA alike), it is like old story.

If someone does not want to play with you, move on and find another person. That person may be a jerk, or has other understandable reason -- one thing is true that he does not want to play with you, and he is entitled to do so.

totally agree that ffxi was meant for the global community.

also totally agree that some part of it really is racism. but a large part of the rift was caused by black sheep on both parts of the world. i've seen my fair share of "NA" brats and also a fair share of "JP" brats, given my unique position. and both leave a foul taste in my mouth.

however, i must add that in all my experience, i've had more problems with "NA" brats than i have with "JP" brats. the reason is cos "NA" brats (as per the american culture) are extremely individualistic, and are quick to take action without ever considering the consequences. "JP" brats, as brattish as they may be, are still somewhat tied down and guided by a certain measure of formality. they may do things in little ways to annoy, but nothing ever as drastic like what "NA" brats are capable of.

i'm not saying that i blame them for being brats, "NA" or "JP". but in all fairness, with my ability to tap into both pools, i'm telling you right now i prefer a "JP" brat anytime. at least the pt will continue cos there won't be sudden disbands, sudden afks, a whole string of expletives when something doesn't go their way, and a hyperinflated ego that makes them put other people down in the team. no one in a JP party, brat or otherwise, will complain if you're getting 130-140 XP per kill without chain. sure the "JP" brat will express some discontent at how the pt works or just resist (politely) any advice given by pt members, but at the very least, they are more eager to be part of this whole.

where is this all leading to? black sheep spoil the fun for innocent people like you and me. i would like to "heal" the rifts where i can, but i only play once or twice every weekend, i.e. there's really a limit to how much positive influence i can have on them. plus, i've really given up trying to put "NA" players in a good light if they can't do it themselves.

so before we point fingers at JP for being racist, maybe we should be looking at NA players to see what's the problem?


sidenote: the translators are barely adequate for communication. because of the many forms (with their inherent levels of polite-ness), it is impossible to translate the various levels effectively. imagine 3-4 different ways of saying "do you want to party", all with varying levels of politeness. you could say something so superficially polite (meant for the emperor of Japan), to something very crass (meant for talking to people who are very close to you), and risk offending people if you say things without the appropriate level of politeness.

sidenote2: to illustrate, if you ask a stranger to pt, you would be decently polite. however, if the person agrees, and joins you, over the period of interaction while he/she is in pt, you might want to switch some other forms to demonstrate a measure of trust and confidence you have in him/her. at the same time, you can tell if someone doesn't want to associate with you, cos they'll stick to the polite form all the way through. it's like telling you "don't get over familiar with me yet!" translators can't really do this. and while it seems ok for the english language, in the japanese language, it really isn't very accurate.

sidenote3: that being said though, language is but one of the small factors that may have contributed to this rift. look above for the more important factor, imho.

I agree completely with Enthuz about JP/NA brats thing. I have seen bad altitude JP players, and I have seen out right racism, but similar things exist in NA, and sometimes they are much worse than JP -- not to say I have much more bad experience with bad NA players than bad JP players.

Blaming everything to racism is racism itself when one is aware the problem is more than racism. It is like falsefully accuse another party for guilt when you know part of the guilt is on oneself. It is more important to work out a solution instead of playing blame game. If you f**k up unintetionally, just apologize and move on. You hope no one is going to get angry, and if someone is being *** to keep bothering you even you apologize, than that person is an ***. Do what you feel is to make another person comfortable with. I can tell if someone is trying to hard to be sincencre and make another person comfortable even I know if that person is still "not doing right." I am not saying you should know exact Japanese formality (JP formality even in causcal pub and dinner talk is a difficult), but if you try hard to be the sincencre and nice, MOST people will understand.

There are things you know that are taboos in NA or JP in the game, do not do that. If you know someone don't like to check, then don't check. May be if someone see you a level 10 newbie with no sub, people will not mind, but I always ask JPs before I check. Heh One time someone (apparently JP) checked me, and will bow to me afterwards and say thanks (or sorry) to me in JP. That is the type of behavior I want to see. Show some understanding if you know what they are.

If you want to know how to ask a JP for PT in romanji or simply other basically JP conversation, you can ask me in the game. I do that all the time, and it works quite well.

The sergation between JP and NA is wide now, and I think it is still fixable. If you want to fix it, start from yourself. And stop saying "the other do it first," that is nothing more than being a hypocrite.

Stuck at lvl15THF :o