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Well, my ls, VanadielsFinest tried another run at Dynamis-Sandy last night and did pretty well. However, we weren't getting jack for AF or weapon drops. But I was hoping for the win, as were many others, so the AF/weapons would have just been a bonus. This run was one of the best showings we have had for Dynamis and everyone was so excited!

We had made it to the chocobo stables when we finally got an AF drop!! The MNK piece! We have several Monks in our LS, the two main ones are Halflin and Inkababy, who have both been in VF longer then I have (1 year +) and are both two of the nicest people you will meet in game. Well, they both casted lots on the AF piece.

Like all other Dynamis groups, we have the same rule of either lot AF or money drops, which has been the rule ever since we started doing Dynamis runs and it is announced at the beginning of every Dynamis run. They also are both of level to wear.

Inkababy took the highest lot and was going to get the drop and he was ecstatic!! We started to congratulate him when out of nowhere, Goltana, who has been in our LS for a while, suddenly lots and takes it.

The LS leader, Maxemus, asked Goltana 3 times to pass on the AF, and he blatantly, and in front of the LS as well as quite a few guests, told him "No". The whole LS reacted and various members told him to pass. I even had several guests send me /tells saying that was one of the most selfish things they have seen anyone do. Well, after he refused to pass again and again, stating various reasons why he "deserved it" (even though last week he got one of the 2 WAR AF drops…), Darkvlade told everyone to "free lot" so that hopefully Goltana would NOT receive the piece. All LS people that hadn't passed lotted and another LS mate took the piece. Once this happened, Goltana - unannounced - passed and the item dropped to the person with the highest lot who, sadly, did not need it.

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Inkababy was crushed.

The person who got the drop felt horrible.

Then we spent another 5 very needed minutes arguing with Goltana and asking him why he did this. Probably all total, 10+ minutes was wasted due to his greed and selfishness. And guess what? We ran out of time when we got to the Boss...

Afterwards, Goltana was the first to cast blame everywhere but where it needed to be. He blamed the LS, he blamed Darkvlade, hell he practically blamed the kitchen sink, but felt that he was innocent and had been wronged by VF. Then out came the truth. He didn't care what he did, he admitted that he was in several HNMls's and getting drops with all of them, asking them all for help, and taking advantage of many people and said that we were all suckers and stupid because we didn’t know. He did not only call VF suckers and stupid, but all the HNMls's he's in. Nice... real nice....

Deal with this information however you choose.

I am a firm hater of LS hoppers, and even a bigger hater of people who are liars, are greedy, and deliberately hurt other people. He claims that the people in this game "don't matter", but he has forgotten that although he only sees the pixels on the screen, there are real people behind them who have worked hard in the game and have real feelings. Last night, he ruined the good Dynamis run, lost Inka his AF, made another LS mate feel horrible for getting the drop, embarrassed the people who had invited guests, and pretty much slapped Maxemus and all the sackholders in the face as the leaders of VF.

/hug Speed ^^

I asked Max about booting him from LS/party too, but wasn't sure if he would loose the drop or not... would he have? Does anyone know for sure? It would make problems like this obsolete in the future...

Yeah we are gonna try and get Inka some boots he wants this week, and hopefully get another MNK drop for him (and Half, too!). It was such a bummer... but we will prolly get the win next time we try Dynamis-Sandy... so hopefully you can make it!! ^^

Would love for you to come more Speed! We need your PLDness hehehehe! <3 See you in game hon! ^^

I think your LS need more clear rule of AF2 lotting. If anyone has chosen a specific AF2 to lot (if he is qualified to according to LS rules) then he should have right to lot, regardless of "seniority" of LS. If you do not trust that person to begin with, he should not be allowed to enter to begin with.

Once someone is allowed to choose a specific AF2 to lot and it drops... it is fair game to lot. What is bad is that person lotted it even without choosing that AF2... In that case that person should be kicked from LS or D2ed.

Dynamis runs need rules. Period. It is a neccessary evil. There are no better ways to resolve drama than that. Rules set the standard what is right or wrong. Having unprecise rules or complain rules after rules ruled against you are both very bad.

To people who complain about rules, or find loop holes in rules or make excuses to justify a break of rules. You suck. Jump off the cliff in South Gusterbug. Do not pass Go. Bye Bye.

Edited, Sun Jan 29 23:08:17 2006 by scchan

Inka is one of the coolest people I met in the game, sucks this happen to them and VF. I don't know how your party setups are in dynamis but Goltana should have been D2'd immeadiately. VF has been working too hard at getting through Dynamis's to have some dude ruin it for the entire LS. Glad to know I will be able to keep him out of one end game LS and I am sure others will pick up the banner.

I do understand your point of view (hell, I've taken it on one of the recently-necrobumped threads), but I can wholeheartedly assure you, Aliiyah is not one to lie. I've never seen anything but complete caring, honesty, and compassion for others from her.

But, like I said, I do understand your point of view, and it's your right to have it, of course. =3

Most Dynamis group goes by first time, no AF2 lotting rule -- or something similar to that. After that "trial period", it is who choose that AF2 that person has the right to lot in a Dynamis raid regardless of seniority. I usually nice to pass on AF2 that I do not need or use at that time, but to be denial of the right to lot simply based on the seniority can be quite unfair. Or you can work on a point system in lotting, but not sure if any Cerberus LS actually do that right now for Dynamis.

Maxemus is a good friend of mine. And your LS is quite new for end game, so this is best to take as a learning curve.

I was there, saw it, testifying to it, have the screenshots of it. You can believe it or not, it is really a moot point.

The POINT is: you KNOW the rules, you DON'T follow the rules, you SUFFER the consequences.

If that suffering involves reputation, then so be it.

Alii was simply stating facts, which can easily be proven. But, since you are giving the "benefit of the doubt"; I expect that you are going to post in this thread after you have talked to Inka?

I wait expectantly to hear everyone's further comments on this matter.

Then please post the screenshots and prove it.

If Goltana is truly LS hopping and admitting to it then I need to speak with my LS leader.

That's why I want the proof.

Ama stated:



Ama, as a NON-VF member you don't know our rules or how LONG they have been in place (they were in place before we even stepped foot into the first Dynamis VF ever went into over 6+ months ago) but they are basically as follows:

1) If you are not of level on the job, you may NOT lot AF.

2) You may only lot AF OR money, not both.

3) You must me a VF LS member to lot AF.

4) You must be a VF member past the 30 day probation period.

5) You must post in a search comment what you are going for (AF or Money)

6) If a piece falls that NO LS member has placed in their search comment and everyone is in agreement that a person who does have that job and can wear doesnt need it, a "free lot" is called and EVERYONE (guests, etc)may cast lots. (i.e.: BRD hat dropped last weekend. No one has placed BRD AF in their search comment. None of the BRD in our LS were on, and no one had a BRD high enough to wear it, so a free lot was called for anyone who wanted it.)

7) Single monies are "free fall" to everyone, do not lot on them.

8) If you pay for a Dynamis run out of you pocket, your rules will apply (within reason).



The rules are pretty clear in my opinion and have been to all guests for the last 6+ months. This was a VF LS Fund payed run, so VF rules applied. No one else has ever had a problem understanding the rules and this was NOT Goltana's first Dynamis run with VF. Hell, he either got a WAR AF2 drop the previous week in dynamis or maybe it was he casted lots on it, and either way, he wasn't even of level to wear the WAR AF2. This weekend he was lotting money items and had "WAR AF" in his search comment even and got called on it by Max (I think a couple others may have been doing this too.) . When the MNK AF dropped his lot was purely to be greedy and spiteful.

Also, our Dynamis rules are told to EVERYONE before the event starts EVERY time. Our LS Dynamis rules are posted on our LS website and have been for 4+ months. So he was well aware of them. Max runs a pretty great LS so I doubt you will need to show him any kinda ropes, but you two are good friends, so maybe you two can chat next time your both on to catch up on how VF is doing. ^^

And as I posted to Mateo in KI, I will re-post here:

Mateo, I did state in both forums to do with this information as you wish, but it is fact, no matter how nice Goltana is being to anyone. Hell, he's probably TRYING to make himself look like a nicer person now. He did this in front of 54 people, most of which are VF members, the rest were all guests, so feel free to ask them. Paragon (as stated on Alla) has screen shots and will most likely post them soon.

I also know Espinosis, as he too is in VF since November I believe. Goltana has been in VF for 6+ months and has always been "nice" to people. That wasn't the problem. Problem was his greed. He took this drop from Inka claiming he "deserved" it and that VF had wronged him. I don't know how VF wronged him, he had always gotten help from VF as all members do. But he obviously saught help from whomever else he could too. He also has been doing other "things" that proved him greedy even before this incident but they don't deal with the OP, so I won't throw them into this, but I will gladly talk to you via PM or /tell in game about them.

Speak to any VF member who was there after the exit about his LS hopping quote also. We all sat and "talked" for about and hoour+ after wards. Maxemus, myself, Darklvade, Lilliwitch, Inka himself, and several others were all there. There were also people from various other LS's just standing around and watching/reading because this all went on in /say mode at the exit point in Sandy. I normally am picture happy, but didn't take any so don't believe me, it's OK, I understand. You obviously don't know me and have no reason to believe me. I just hope that youdon't find out one day that his integrity is not what you believe it is and you will be added to his list of "stupid" people who "don't matter".

LOL!! Yeah... this has never happened to VF before and was a HUGE learning experience. I actually talked about kicking him with Max when it happened, but as I have found out, that would have done nothing. I didn't think about D2 and we were all so shocked no one even thought of that... >.<; Would have nipped the whole experience in the bud.

Goltana stated he "left" VF (I assume he dropped the pearl) after the event because people were not happy with him, so he wasn't kicked, but probably would have been.

Yep Ama, it ws a learning bump for VF but there have been quite a few along the way since we have become a HNMls, and I am sure there will be more! ^^;

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It's cool you want to defind your brother but only because hes your brother doesnt mean what he did was right sorry.
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If you really want to solve something have you brother drop the AF he didnt earn and post a screen shot.

Edited, Mon Jan 30 14:15:17 2006 by RiseAgainstXhrta

Hey Inka, how are you today man?

This clears things up for me now, but now my question is, did he lot on the infinity core? Or did it free fall on to him?

Hmmm... this is the exact reason i normally dont post, becuz of individuals that dont know the facts and are bent on their own view. But man really, i stated my post was not in favor for or against, believe what u will.

And also, I cant have my bro drop AF that he doesnt have... But you're so intelligent i thought u would have known that. Read the thread someone else got it smart guy. Might wanna know the issue before making a post that makes u look stupid and everything else you say following this invalid... npoktyvm {See you again!} >.>

~Line spacing is nice thx for the education! ^^ {.}