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#27 Sep 29 2005 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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LeetFade wrote:
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F = ma ... Newton's Second Law ;p

Damn you college folks. LoL.

You were talking about Einstein and threw out a formula. I got confused. :-b

Edited, Thu Sep 29 11:57:27 2005 by LeetFade


You learn about Newtons laws in high school. :o
#28 Sep 29 2005 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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You learn about Newtons laws in high school. :o


(Master Shake impersonation): And what's this "High School" you speak of?
#29 Sep 29 2005 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, I can prove F=ma to be true...


F = ma only works in "classical" physics... Not when you are dealing with the universe or with atoms o.O

F = ma is actually based on observations, it is not a derived equation. Physical laws are come from observations and experiments. Math only explains it, but you cannot derive the most "basic" physical laws (like f=ma) just from maths.

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You learn about Newtons laws in high school. :o


I also learn F = ma from high school.
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#30 Sep 29 2005 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
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This happens to me every day around 6 o'clock.. I will be mid conversation, my send/recieve is flawless... then BAM! FFXI has shut down, and I can't get back on for 20 min.

This happens regionally, I have confirmed. Every player in my city for sure is kicked at the exact same time. (we call each other when it happens lol)

Todays kick happened as leetfade and a few others were just heading out for our bone party. I am trying to get back in, but I am worried they will give up and replace me.

Anyone know the ip address to "ping" for POL or the FFXI servers?

I am sure this is linked to DDoS, and the measures they take to protect themselves. This DDoS has gone on for months, but it usually just made logging in difficult. This random kick is a new symptom.
#31 Sep 29 2005 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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ElvaanKrem wrote:
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You learn about Newtons laws in high school. :o


(Master Shake impersonation): And what's this "High School" you speak of?


A useless building that people go to in order to learn crap that help them when they go to yet another big and expensive building for four more years.
#32 Sep 30 2005 at 6:15 AM Rating: Decent
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You learn about Newtons laws in high school.

He was the guy who got hit in the head with an apple and it gave him an epiphany about Gravity. That was in grade school. He was never mentioned once in high school. Can I sue my school district over this?

Had another "Insta-Boot" last night. Took a half hour to log back on. Grrrrr. I realize (somewhat) the variables involved with the internet, but we are paying for this service. And you can't tell me SE is too poor to fix the problem. I guess there just isn't a large enough customer base in the affected areas to warrant an investment. And just when a new Age of Empires is coming out...
#33 Sep 30 2005 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Not sure about details, may be a network admin may understand... If a regional hub is being DDOSed, or DDOS is being started in a cluster of machines under the same regional hub, would the regional hub or SE has auto-self-protection kicks in and filter/firewall all connections from that regional hub to protect themselves?

Would that explain why certain people will have problems while some do not? Just a conincdence that certain groups of machines under same "regional network centers" are being compromised.

/point Nebz

Edited, Fri Sep 30 07:29:06 2005 by scchan
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#34 Sep 30 2005 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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Ok people. LoL. First the off topic stuff. I studied physics, calculus, and architectural enginering in high school so I know who Newton is. However, I'll be going to my 10 year reunion come May/June so it's not like I remember that crap. LoL. The only thing I remember from my advanced high school courses (let alone the normal courses) is the building requirements and interior/exterior wall spacings.

My physics teacher taught straight out of the book and flipped when I told her that the human audibility range she spewed was incorrect. From that point on it was in one ear and out the other. LoL.

Now for this f'n DDOS or w/e they want to call it. I'm beyond fed up with it. As a Network Engineer I know that if I were to run any of our clients networks like this, we would no longer have the client. It is ridiculous for them to take this long to fix this issue. They should have fail-safe measures in place for when something like this happens. They obviously do not.

If you figure 1 million members (what they quoted a while back) at $15 a month (figure everyone has at least one or two mules), I would think that somewhere in that ridiculous some of revenue they can find a way to assure 95% uptime. A monthly maintenance is wise and should be implemented, but this is daily drops. When I got back on there were only 1600 people on Cerberus. That's crazy. Do your job and fix your networks.
#35 Sep 30 2005 at 8:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I think it is not the first time SE has specific problems with certain regions and ISP. Even with all the people lost connection, my Verizon line is still strong and without lag. I also do not hear any problems from my Japanese, Taiwanese and Hong Kong friends in the game.

Certain people in main forums sepeculated as a problem with a specific login servers to explain why only certain groups of people have problems, and pinging certain login server will get no response, while others are up. May be the DDOS are targeted only on specifc login servers (which may have regional profiling -- say all Ohio connections go to same login server)?

/sigh. Let's hope this get fixed by whatever insitution is responsible for the lost of connection (maybe SE, maybe someone else). And if the DDOS reads this post... Just god darn stop what you are doing. You are nothing more than a little harresser who thinks what you are doing is make you look important. You aren't and the world continues to move on.

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#36 Sep 30 2005 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Nyruu wrote:
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You learn about Newtons laws in high school.

He was the guy who got hit in the head with an apple and it gave him an epiphany about Gravity. That was in grade school. He was never mentioned once in high school. Can I sue my school district over this?


And I would gladly point out that Georgia ranked last in education during the 90s. I learned about him in the 10th grade. Yea I know pretty late.
#37 Sep 30 2005 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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Well it wouldn't be the login servers (solely) because you are already logged in. It's just how when they service the log-in servers you have trouble logging on, but if you're on you're fine. They've only done that a couple times though.

It just seems like a certain region is dropping it's WAN connection. Maybe a specific switch - or cluster of switches - is targeted. Who knows. They just need to get on the ball.
#38 Sep 30 2005 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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It just seems like a certain region is dropping it's WAN connection. Maybe a specific switch - or cluster of switches - is targeted. Who knows. They just need to get on the ball.


Now the question is who is being DDOSed... It may not even been SE being DDOSed to start problems.

There is recently a thread in main forums about DDOS and there is a mention about outdated and poorly maintained switchboards. Let take this scenario:

SE -- "We got customer calls that they can't access our network because your network center is having problem."
Another company online #1 -- "Ya, we get same problems from you too."
Another company online #2 -- "Me too."
Network switchboard owner -- "S**U Noob! My networkz are fine! Cost me le money to fix. Now show me 10 million buckz and I fix my networkz!"

I think the big Black Out last few year is actually caused by a similar issue that a poorly maintained power grid causes a domino effect started from like 1 power station (Ohio or NY), and that causes the whole a big fraction power grid of East Coast, Great Lakes and Southern Canada to shut down.

Poorly maintained networks and power grids are caused by people unwilling to put money into fix it... That would mean a rise of ISP or power cost, and customers cry out if ISP and power companies raise charges... In the end, we pay what we get >.<

Similar things apply to CO2 emmissions... The only way to fix air pollution from cars to reduce amount of cars in the roads. That means you have to raise gas price or tax. Guess who will complain again ;p

Edited, Fri Sep 30 16:30:11 2005 by scchan
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#39 Sep 30 2005 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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I guess it would be one thing if the internet went down with it - we could look towards ISP then - but it's not. It's only POL. It's just something they should have had tracked down by now and rectified.
#40 Sep 30 2005 at 5:04 PM Rating: Good
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I've been dealing with this for a week now. Everynight i get kicked out at least once. Like someone noted above, it's not the typical DC where everything freezes for a bit then boots you.

One second i'll be fighting away, then poof... connection is lost. However, unlike others, I can not reconnect to POL for about 10-15 mins.

I get POL-0006 error for the first few minutes, then an occasional POL-0010. Then it will let me back in.

During this time, I still have connectivity to the internet so I don't think it has to do with my ISP...

All I know is that its getting pretty annoying...
#41 Oct 09 2005 at 1:01 AM Rating: Decent
I'm glad to see this thread because I thought I was the only one having this issue. It seems ever since I moved up to Fairfax and got in with Cox cable I have D/Ced every night at 3:14 am. It really is quite annoying but I guess I cant blame it on my cable company anymore =\. Good to know its not just some fluke to personally annoy the hell out of me though lol.
#42 Oct 09 2005 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
Well, I've been d/cing every twenty minutes like clockwork for the past two weeks. My internet is fine on my computers, so it must be a server somewhere down the line. What's rough is that it started the day after I paid my monthly fees. So I've got two weeks, thus far, of zero game time; but I'm paying the fees anyway. I've e-mailed SE and they haven't gotten back to me. I may have to hang it up, because it doesn't make sense to pay for something you can't use.

[Edit]: I'm in Raleigh, North Carolina btw, so not Midwestern.

Edited, Sun Oct 9 16:21:32 2005 by cribsog
#43 Oct 10 2005 at 9:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Singapore. No problems.

I play at 13 hours post EST though. so... :p
#44 Oct 11 2005 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Enthuz. Go lick Teqrain and Peiling for me in Singapore.
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A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
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#45 Oct 11 2005 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Got 1 d/c last night(today) around 12:30AM EST. Couldn't get back on for about 30 minutes... Lucky the update went well or i'd actually be upset lol.
#46 Oct 11 2005 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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lol amanada =)

first they have to admit that they are from singapore. teqrain keeps insisting he's from Aus, and peiling hasn't spoken a word. ;) well, not to me.
#47 Oct 11 2005 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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lol amanada =)

first they have to admit that they are from singapore. teqrain keeps insisting he's from Aus, and peiling hasn't spoken a word. ;) well, not to me.
#48 Oct 12 2005 at 10:17 AM Rating: Default
Sup guys.

I was having this problem of disconnecting multiple times daily for the past 2 months. The worse thing, like Leet brought up, is that the internet works flawlessly so the only problem it can be is POL. Well I had 11 straight days of no disconnecting. It was beautiful. I went through an entire Kirin fight and Dynmais with no boot. I was actually having fun. But now...after the update, I got booted on the way to Ifrit. Got back on, went back down, got back on, went back down. Gave it 5 mins, then I was back on. Internet is fine. Then I decide to leave my character on overnight to test it, and I wake up this morning with a disconnection. I just want to know, since my internet is working flawless, is it something I can help or am I at the mercy of SE again. It seemed it was going good when I had that 11 days stretch. Bah o well send me a PM and I'll be glad to talk about this more.
#49 Oct 12 2005 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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I've been experiencing a different problem since the update. Pre-update? Connection was usually fine, save for the occasional annoying couple-of-hour DC. But post-update? Constant, moderate, ANNOYING lag. Am I the only one? Let me know. Thanks.

Speedly
#50 Oct 17 2005 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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You're not the only one, Speed. -.-

First, I attributed it to "Bard lag", not that I ever got it on my PC before...but I figured it might have been.

Once I got out of that party, and was farming and crafting a bit, just running around...yeah, I noticed the lag. Like mass crafting isn't slow enough already. x_x

Post-update, I've been getting a lovely combination of d/cs outta nowhere, and mad lag...and it sure isn't my connection. :(
#51 Oct 17 2005 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good
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I reinstalled and it seemed to help out. It's annoying, and it didn't flat-fix the problem, but it helped.
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