Nebz... I am not fighting, just enlightening ^^... I like to look at things from more than one person's point of view and hopefully they and other readers can see that there ARE other points of view to consider. I am well versed in critical thinking and tend to look at situations from many different sides. IMO it looks like Speedly is too (and Speedly is just downright funny! Love the sig!) Ama, Bani, you (Nebz) and others had some valid points, but some were also "flippable" and not so valid.
Maybe I missed it, but who asked for help in any of their posts to get any SMN gear and avatars? The OP's thread was asking about starting a new LS not about getting help for SMN gear/avatars. Putting help "pitfalls" in reply to the OP was like putting the cart before the horse and sounds like some personal venting more than anything... which is cool... venting is goooooooood.
Sooooo since the thread has moved onto venting about people abusing help and not showing appreciation, I will go with that flow.
Helping lower lv's goes hand in hand with this game - as a matter of fact it's part of the game just as leveling is. SE wanted to create a way for people to get to know each other, meet other cultures and learn about other jobs through helping each other as well as through XPing, quests and missions. I know I have learned many things about other jobs by watching those higher than myself do their jobs while helping me. Sometimes learning and having fun does get lost when trying for AF and certain RARE or RARE/EX drops, as the people that wanted the items are about to explode with joy!! In some cases, they are exploding with greed or as Ama put it "leeching" and those are the people you need to avoid for future help requests. Or you also have the right to say, "No thanks!" and leave it at that.
I am in several LS's and I offer my help as whatever character can help no matter what, to the people below me, just leveling up other jobs or just needing some help. I help others as I have been helped. I also have had my share of people who I have helped who have not thanked me in any way. It stung for a second but in the end, I really didn't care because I just felt accomplished in helping them and I usually had a lot of fun. And I have helped those people again! I don't need to see my name posted on Alla or KI to know that I am an extremely nice and very helpful person, you can pretty much ask anyone who knows me. I have even helped out when I was pretty low (many things that I was too low for) and died helping - even after 50 and before the XP nerf, so I lost a lot of XP - but didn't mind and just laughed it off. Went out the next day and got the XP back. It's just part of the game.
So if you don't want to "get used" or help people without a "thank you" and gushing over you in-game or posted online, don't help people. That will stop the feelings you get of being taken advantage of. Also as for being asked to look stuff up before helping people, some people don't have PC's and can't look up the info on quests and missions and will need others to do it. There are people out there who only have the PS2. I have met them in party, on quests and missions, and in LS on many occasions. Plus, PERSONALLY I
always want to look it up for myself anyways. That way I
KNOW what is going on - I know I do not like to go into any fight or quest NOT knowing what do or where to go. It's hazardous to ones character's life. It's like going on a road trip from one end of the US to the other with no map ... O.o And if you KNOW these people have PC and can look it up but are being lazy, tell them to do it. Then if they still don't, just don't help them. It's up to your own personal preference. I always have a spare PC next to me when I play to keep myself aware... but I am also a nerd and have like 5 PC's and a laptop over and above my PS2 (which I don't play on anymore >.>)...
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I think Amanada is just trying to point out the fact in an all SMN ls, you're going to have MORE of these kinds of people. Ones that expect others to help them get AF, Carby Mitts, Avatar Whipspers and eventually Fenrir.
Now, I really have to disagree with you on that Nebz. Carby mitts are a luxury item IMO, not a necessary one, and I again say that you are not going to bring an alliance of only SMN to get them, which is the same deal for AF items. So an all SMN LS will not be "used" for those items solely. Also I know many people that have done the avatar battles as other jobs. I was lucky and as my 60+ RDM was
ASKED to come for Refresh and to sit there and look pretty. Nothing more, easiest way to get avatars/whispers ever. Also, it took my best friend IRL&IG who is a high lv SMN,
(and I am gonna drop his name now b/c he said I could) Suraklin, many tries to get his Fenrir avatar as a lv 63+ SMN... and do you want to know why? He had to beg and PAY people to help him... that is complete BS in my book becasue you know that the people who helped him already got Fenrir by getting help from others and NOT by paying others. To protect the "innocent" I won't name drop the many who requested he pay them... you greedy people all know who you are. And he lost his first time and still had to pay the people! He was so upset he had to take a break from the game. No purple pup and out hundresds of thousands of gil.... I digress slightly. My point is this: Any job will need help getting the things that they will need for their jobs... some earings, armor, weapons, etc... it's not just a SMN. So a SMN only LS will have no more needs than any other job specific LS or any LS in general...
Also, Suraklin told me that there have been other SMN only LS's that have been started here on Cerberus that have come and gone, but
only due to the leader and LS mates having many other LS's and commitments. Like everyone has posted Calli, a LS will take a lot of work, but it can be done.