Cetranne = Gil StealerFollow

sigh..

Yet again, someone who can only think that their way of thinking is right.



If she was given the items to sell and distrubate, she was pretty much given money to split between people. In the end, that's what the items became correct?

Same as first point, no need for further comment on it.

Considering I was speaking for myself out of game, I guess you wouldn't be my peers. Also as I have no right to call your opinion dumb, you don't either.

That's the thing, he's your friend. Kind of easy to defend someone you know. I mean, why can't I make the assumption that he sucks like he can make the one that I am a thief and untrustworthy. I've never admitted to stealing anything, and he knows next to nothing about me. Please quit the double standards. ^^

At first, I wasn't trying to defend her at all. I'm still not really trying to defend her, but I guess it's been pushed to that. I'm more along the lines of telling you and your friends to get their heads out of their asses.

Now, here is how you make yourself look dumb. Respect is based totally on opinion. You may think that someone beating up a bully is respectable. I may think that they have comitted a crime and should be punished. There is no right or wrong answer to this at all.

Society - A group of humans broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture.

So pretty much, I can have a society with only two people. If we both are okay with theft, then in our society it would be okay steal.

And what do you mean what reason could justify her for "stealing" the money, when it was given to her. There could be thousands and thousands of reasons for it. Just because you don't think it's right means it's wrong.

Let's look at it from an out of game again.

Someone robs a bank. It's stealing, so it must be wrong!

Thief's reason for robbing the bank: He needed the money to feed his family and pay off loan sharks so that they would not harm his wife and children.

Well, he thought he was justified to rob that bank to protect the people he loved. Just one of the many reasons he could have.

Same applies here. You have no right at all to say that her reason was wrong, because it's really a matter of opinion.





Edited, Thu Jun 9 01:32:04 2005 by GamblingKitty

It'd help if you took time to actually think.

They had to actually give her the items in the first place so she could sell them.

Give - To entrust to another, usually for a specified reason: gave me the keys for safekeeping.

So after she was given the items, she shold them, and kept the money. That besides the point, they were given to her. While they were in her posession, she had the will to do whatever she wanted with them. If she wanted to keep them for a while, she could have. If she just wanted to drop them, she could have. Much like the guy in your scenario, if the U.S. Government gave him 4 million dollars to distrubate between different departments, what is stopping him from taking it? Obviously, the risk is far far greater than the reward, which is the complete opposite of what happened here.

So this is what we call stealing, which in broad society we consider wrong. Now you asked me for a society group where stealing is okay, and claim I just made one up. Well fine, I have one for you. The Illuminati. Their whole purpose is basicly ruling the world with money, and the easiest way to gain money is by taking it. Actually, our society does promote stealing. In capitalism, it is okay for the CEO of a company to steal money from the employees below him. You know, not pay them what they're worth. Go to other countries like China to have their toy and shoe products made. So yes, the way we function is pretty much nothing but theft. This is why smart people who aren't at the top don't like pyramid schemes.

Your friend doesn't understand that almost everything you do in life is a gamble, and that it is logical to think of it as such. In basic phsyical science, you learn Newton's Third Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This does not only apply to science, but everything. Everything you do will cause some kind of reaction. Just like this, since she was given these items and decided to keep the money from them, you people are here whining instead of trying to get what is due. So comparing gambling to stealing is just fine, only if you are able to understand you can compare everything to gambling. Everything you do has a risk and a reward, and you have no way to knowing that outcome. So he pretty much still called me a thief, and I'm still pretty much saying he sucks at life.

I'd have to quote your entire post, saying that my way of thinking is wrong. What would be the point of saying my opinion when you're going to say it is wrong, and that I am wrong. That is exactly what you have been doing. Anyway, here goes.

I believe if a person is doing what they honestly believe in is respectful, even if I don't agree with what they are doing. I hope that answers the question you so wanted an asnwer for.

As the definition says, a society doesn't need to be a large group of people. We say American society as a broad term, because in most cases we all fit into those catagories. Though, in American society you obviously have many smaller societies with their own unique things different from everyone else. Oh, and two people being a group, who share a common background and common interests. I'd say that's a society right there if they wish to call it so, as it does follow the definition.

I thought you would understand from what I was saying that there were too many reasons to post due to the lack of time and lack of space.


I don't know, maybe you didn't get it. That was one of the reasonings I gave for my example of the bank robber. here, I'll quote myself for you.



I guess I gave you too much credit for the smart department. That may not have been the reason for her to keep what was given to her, but as I've been saying there are many reasons she could have.

You know, you have to try a lot harder if you want to call me dumb.


Edited, Thu Jun 9 10:33:12 2005 by GamblingKitty

*sigh*

Ok everyone. This is going to be one that could go on forever and ever. We all know that what Cetranne did is immoral and unjustifiable. Add her to your /blist, don't trust her, and move on.

Tainted,

I understand playing the Devil's Advocate, but you're going backwards right now. Reading your posts with a purely open mind I can see random points here and there in your posts but in the event of defending your own opinions you are making it worse.

Yes everything is a matter of perception, however, there are things that are collectively accepted and shunned in society. Breaking the trust of others and taking things that were rightfully their's is unacceptable.

Can we seriously move on from this? /blist add Cetranne, and if you feel the need, /blist add Tainted. It's your choice.

Just let this end... This is getting old.

Chinese (?) saying, "Fix the fence when thou lost a sheep."

/blist add Smitz
/blist add Cetranne
/blist add Heitai
/cry for the victims

And then hand out cookies, and have fun in Vana'Diel.

Amanada I love you. You think in very mature ways and bring realization to all these idiots continuously bashing this girl for fun.

These people make Cerberus look incredibly unforgiving and full of immaturity. This entire thread makes me happy not to come to Cerberus and not because someone wanted to exploit the actions of a single individual but because they continue to drag it out for personal amusement. An adult would let the two involved sides work out the problem on their own and stay out of their business while children continuously do what they are doing now on this thread.

So if people want to bash her still even after she said she is done then they deserve their own bashing just for being fk-tards and not letting the situation come to an end on this thread.

Like me or not. I dont care. These people are insane to continue
this kinda crap.

Temptemp, Tainted, and Cetranne...

Ugh, just so many things to say to all of you, but... I can't. It'll take too much time to put into text. So....yeeaahh...

Speedly, I'm pretty sure you would know JUST how to do it.

/cheer Speedly!

Edited, Thu Jun 9 13:49:11 2005 by PyroIdiot

I thought that was a rhetorical question... come on, were you really expecting an answer?




Pirates. Bloody pirates. They stole, looted, pillaged and plundered in a most gruesome, sadistic and murderous way. Could they justify their reasons? Absolutely. Could you? Prob not.

Also, on the question of society being thieves, the romans, greeks, americans... hell anyone who "takes" something away from another person that isn't respectfully theirs is a thief. Whether you take land, a life, a wife, money, weapons.... All the same thing.


Now I understand both points. Tainted suggests that Cetranne's REASONING for keeping the money should be taken as a valid reason of why she took it because she is allowed that right. Whether it was wrong, immoral, or cruel... are all a matter of opinion. It doesn't take away from the fact that her reason to keep the money is just as valid as your reason to get your just return. You have to look on both sides of the fence to really see which grass is greener.

But it was Cetranne's opinion that dictated that she deserved the items more than the people whom she didn't pay. Whatever REASON she had to do so has absolutely no matter in this because it is her opinion that dictates her actions, as it does to all of us.

I understand the story of the thief who steals bread for his family is broadly seen as a "justified" action. But if the baker is just as poor as the thief, and needs the money from that bread to buy medicine for his sick dying mother, who is in the right, and who is in the wrong?

That is a matter of opinion, therefore, we are either all wrong, or everyone is right. Looking at it Tainted's way, there seems to be no such thing as justice. Your opinion of "everyone has an equal say" is blatantly wrong. Why? It even has a name. Communism.

This is the reason for laws and judicial systems and a government based on an official elected by the people living in the society which he will then govern.

Democracy is just many people's opinions vs a smaller number of people's opinions.

There is no such system in FFX1. Therefore vigilante rules apply whenever they do not break TOS. Therefore, Cetranne wins because in this fantasy world, (heh, taken from a movie I hope some can recognize) the only thing that matters is balls.(figuratively speaking of course)

Edit: crap that's long

Edited, Thu Jun 9 14:03:10 2005 by FFXIandHALOtwoLOVER

Don't dimiss my intelect or opinion as insane for posting my sentiments on a public forum.

No no no Corrderio. You are a victim and it is your right to warp people about w/e the case may be. Im talking about all the people who have nothing to do with this. They keep this going for personal amusement when all they ever had to do was say.

"Ok, I feel ya on this one and i'm sorry it happened. I will be careful of this "thief" and remember your warning."

And let it stand as that. But instead they keep flaming on and attacking her as she defends herself and its not their place to do so. Only you and the victims are rightly in the place to do so.

All im saying is these other people are out of bounds and need to STOP bashing someone further for reasons not of their business. But what can someone like me expect from a thread like this.

A fool I am for even thinking anyone would say, "You know Temp, your right and its time for us to let it go and let them handle their own problems for we only make it worse."

No sir, not here. They would rather try to flame me too for my will of peace than to think for a second that I might just be right about this.

Let me be the first to say this:

So many Waffles...... so little time.

/em offers everyone some peanut butter chip waffles.

First:


Then again:



Please pray what you preach. You personally attacked two people for statements they made, which was not at all directed to you in any way, and one was even made for reasons of humor. You then tell us all on a public forum to stop attacking others and calling us names for doing so.

It is my business what I wish to say on a forum, right, wrong, or whatever.You can say whatever you wish to say too, whether to correct me or present your point of view, but please, it would be helpful to do so in an educated manner and to try to refrain from speaking against your own actions.

You don't like the thread? It is your right to leave it be, no matter who you are, and never return.