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#1 Sep 27 2004 at 2:55 AM Rating: Default
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If many of u havent noticed, the "luck" ppls and "cool" ppls (well basically all the gil sellers we kno of) have started xp pt'ing. U might think its kinda stupid but i believe that there is a serverwide gilsellers LS and they have further plans to ruin our moneymaking lives ;_; For one; i think the "luck" ppls plan to level up and start mining in Ifrit's Cauldron. Many of u kno what they've done in Gusgen (ex: stealing and camping mining points). I still have yet to find out what the others have planned... Pls post ur guy's thoughts if u figure somethin out for urself...

PS: this is my first actual post LOL

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#2 Sep 27 2004 at 5:51 PM Rating: Decent
your reasoning is clearly flawed, as even a lv75 can not walk around all of ifrits cauldron free of aggro. the aggro mobs there are mostly 65+.

personaly, i would hope that they try this, because they will be gone from gusgen for months while trying to level up to 75(seeing as the vast majority of people know they are gil sellers, and wouldnt dream of inviting any of them to an exp party. it will take even longer then for a normal person.)

and honestly, if you want them gone stop buying what they are mineing from the AH. if everyone would stop buying darksteel ore from the AH for 2 months, and either stop crafting darksteel for that time or buy only from bazzars or directly from miners, they would stop camping the gusgen mines when they see their ore being returned to their delivery boxes.

it is the regular players greed that keeps them in buisness. both in the form of lazy people buying their gil, and people who buy their items from the AH, to firther their own character in terms of gil or crafting expirance. if you want to get rid of them, everyone on cerberus will have to take a loss to do so. the players much do this, SE cant legaly take any action against them.

you can cry about SE needing to do something about them all you want, but legaly they can not kick any living player who pays their monthly fee off the game for farming gil. they farm and mine the same way you and i farm and mine, but they just dont keep their gil. we all hate them, but they arent doing anything wrong INSIDE THE GAME. their wrong-doings are selling gil, not farming it, and SE cant police activities outside the game.

you might disagree with this, but realize that accusing someone of selling gil is just that, an accusation that isnt able to be proved. if SE kicked you off because some rival miner told them you were a gil seller, you would understand what im saying. its just your word against theirs that they are selling gil.







Edited, Mon Sep 27 18:54:48 2004 by Cirus
#3 Sep 27 2004 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I've heard a rumor that if enough people blacklist someone, they get restrictions... maybe if enough people blacklisted these players that are confirmed gil sellers, the problem may solve itself. I use the /blacklist as a means of keeping track of those that i feel not worth listening to, both casino's, and people that make explicit use of /emote in rude, and obnoxious manners. I feel that not knowing what they are /shouting is an advantage to me, because then i don't lose my temper on someone not worth that effort. if you agree with this theory, go along with it, if you don't, then don't. It's just a thought/idea.

Happy Gaming!
#4 Sep 28 2004 at 12:03 AM Rating: Good
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I doubt that's why they're leveling up, if I took a guess why they're now begging for help with AF, they're getting ready to sell that character or something, I still think SE needs to get off thier lazy *sses, and do what they can to removed them once and for all, to me the best plan would be to trace these group's IPs,then they can block that IP from all the servers

But the gil selling is nuts now, it's sad when you see them FARM in Tahrongi Canyon

Edited, Tue Sep 28 01:05:01 2004 by Corrderio
#5 Sep 28 2004 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Possible reason why there start leveling:

1) The Lucks are sold or are about to be sold.
2) They are going to mine in Oldton Movalpolos. Anyone who is under level 55 can be aggroed there.

We need to post on a website about these gilfarmers and account sellers.

One thing that alarms me is that people willing to PT with them. I thought the Lucks (and Cools) are well known among both NA and JP players...
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#6 Sep 28 2004 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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People...

For your own and other sake, don't pt with those people. They may get you killed or hurt your experience points. What you are doing are aslo harming gaming ethics.

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#7 Sep 28 2004 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually, SE's terms of service or whatever is in the manual clearly states that it is a violation to trade their online currency for legal tender of any sort.
#8 Sep 28 2004 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Actions can only be taken with solid proof... Everyone know the Lucks are up to something, but there is no 100% solid proof that they sell gil. It is hard to act against them.

It is fairly reasonable to guess they are gil sellers since they gilfarm, but it will be hard to connect them directly to IGE or other gilsellers.
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#9 Sep 28 2004 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
well in my experience this is what i have derived

the lucks by far play better than the cools

If you value your exp and your sanity dont pt with the "cools" whereas with the lucks u may pull off a 4k/hr

lucks are better equipped and better prepaired for their roles i mean coolcoco doesn't even have protectra III... whats up with that lol.
#10 Sep 29 2004 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
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"the lucks by far play better than the cools "

HAHA you're kidding, right? If thats true thats miserable fro the cools...

Example: A few weeks back I was partying in CN and the leader invited a Luck... War/Thf. We had to teach him to stand behind the mob for sneak attack to work, not directly to the side.

Of course I guess thats not so bad... Coolsnow just this week at level 49Thf still could barely pull off a SATA Viper Bite.

Maybe I'm just blessed to get partied up with these guys... I dunno.
#11 Sep 29 2004 at 11:47 AM Rating: Default
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LUCKBOY CANT MB FOR SH*T! when i pt'd w/ him me and the Smn were the ones trying to MB the tachi enpi >> viper bite.

btw: thx for replying guys. its nice to kno that a forum newbie's thread can live for a while LOL
#12 Sep 29 2004 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
all i can say having pted with BOTH sets

(i dont include coolsnow in this since i still dunno if his account was sold to an even bigger idiot)

coolbaby + coolcoco + coolmonk = "cool" clan in my brain
luckboy + luckgirl = "luck" clan

coolcoco does NOT have any spells past 45 unless she/he recently bought them.
coolbaby has about the inteligence of a drk that says me smash good.
coolmonk.................................... no comments this guy is just beyong idiotic "DONT VOKE let pld VOKE" response "I have war sub"...

NOW

luckgirl is a fairly competent healer has most the spells i believe she even has raise II
luckboy has all his spells HOWEVER he doesn't mb he will cast freeze at about 40% hp left and then go blizz II and fire II to finish it off..

the lucks have the worst hate management ideas ever but they are much better players than cools..

I have had 4k/hr with the lucks with the cools i barely managed 1k/hr all because of coolmonk.

But in all honesty its safer not to pt with them
#13 Oct 04 2004 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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[/quote]They are going to mine in Oldton Movalpolos. Anyone who is under level 55 can be aggroed there[quote]


omg plz no that's where I'm plannin on farmin with my friends ;_;
#14 Oct 05 2004 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Just so we keep this in perspective, remember that these identities (luckXXX, coolXXX) may not even be played by the same person.

It the rumors that they are logged on 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week, is true, then inviting them into the PT is like a casino bet. ^^

just a gil's worth.
#15 Oct 05 2004 at 11:46 PM Rating: Default
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Either way u look at it....they still suck at playin LOL.

Ive seen Valkurm Black Mages MB better than Luckboy XD.
#16 Oct 06 2004 at 1:23 AM Rating: Default
Lol im cool with all of the gil sellers. Nice people. They give alot of gil for easy help also :)
#17 Oct 06 2004 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I just wanted to put my 2 cents on my partying experience with Cool- members: they suck *** =/ They were quite capable of getting us all killed in Kuftal Tunnel because they were so horrible. Japanese players are godly at this game. I would PT up with Japanese players ANY day =) But gawd help me if I PT with Cool or Luck clan members again -.-
#18 Oct 06 2004 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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One thing I don't understand is how the Lucks and Cools manage to level. @ level 40+, it is nearly impossible to level without a party, and yet they still able to level... So people were inviting them. Please do not party with them if you do not condone gil selling.

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#19 Oct 06 2004 at 10:57 PM Rating: Default
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I guess...inviting one of the cool or luck ppls are last resorts...
When it comes to last resort...ull do anything to just st least get some exp...
#20 Oct 07 2004 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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We shouldnt forget the lovetoo LS that is seen near 24/7 down in ordelle's caves killing Morbolger and Stroper Chyme, these guys have really bad equip except for the pld that has a soso standard equip, but checking AH everynow and then, they have sold alot of Archer's Ring for 550k+ each, considering their equip, their profit, i say: gilsellers, these guys are more obvious than the lucks and cools to me.
#21 Oct 07 2004 at 9:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, i had a pty once with luckboy.... i wish i left right then, but i was frustrated for seeking pty for awhile.

He never mb'd, and would randomly cast freeze.
Also, he had a physical earing. shatty gear.

bad times....
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