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#52 Oct 04 2004 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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You know, lol I remember being low level. Matter of fact I still consider myself low level. When I can walk around the lower level of eldieme w/o aggro to help on key mobs, then I will consider myself high level.


I think you can do that at level 65+ :)

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So please if you /t me for help and I decline it's not because I dont want to. Its because I'm busy or getting ready to be busy.


Same here. I am always willing to help unless I have plans already or am doing something already. However, HLs like me that have a RL want to just take a break and relax after coming home from work. Remember RL >>> GL. I know it is frustrating to get help, but just be patient. This is just a game.

A good way to approach this is to throw away the "I have to level now" mentalitiy. Take your time and chill. I was level 30 for over a month, and I never complain. I complain a lot more when I die without a raise or mobs not dropping keys or some rare-ex XD
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#53 Oct 04 2004 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
i think the majority of higher level people, have simply forgoten how hard it was for them to get there, and what it was like to be a low level. the vast majority of NA lv68+ that i have met, have the attitude of "im such a great level-XX <job>, and no one else is as good as i am." and if asked for anything usually respond along the lines of "im too busy for that, unless it pays half a million. your LS should help you out, not me"

its very rare to see a humble lv65+ NA player. i find it sad, that iv found 10 helpful JP high lvl that i didnt know, for every 1 helpful NA iv met that level, even though iv had to comunicate with many of those JP very vaugly, entirely in auto translate
#54 Oct 04 2004 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes I'll agree with you for the most part, but not all. You know me well enough to know I'll bust my butt to help someone else, and even put aside RL things at times if I tell someone I'll help. Yes it's very sad that a lot of the "problem" people are NA, but by no means are they only NA. It's honestly troubling to here anyone from overseas feel like there are no helpful or respectful NA players. /sigh.



sigh. >< i didn't mean it that way. and you know that. >< i feel semi-misquoted. ><

it's just my observation that by culture, asians may tend to understand teamwork better than americans. sometimes asians overdo it too, and get so mired in teamwork they forget they can do things on their own. so there's always two sides to the coin.

note that i used the word 'tend' once more. it's a tendency, nothing more. a 'seems-like' not a hasty generalization. so to the reader: bah, forget RL nationality. ^^ a player's a player.

/poke Leetfade
#55 Oct 05 2004 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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i think the majority of higher level people, have simply forgoten how hard it was for them to get there, and what it was like to be a low level. the vast majority of NA lv68+ that i have met, have the attitude of "im such a great level-XX <job>, and no one else is as good as i am."


About the 1st sentence, I will disaree with it. I know quite a few level 68+ who are extremely helpful, and understands how hard for them to do their AF and etc. Please do not generalize. Yes there are people that behaves the way you say, but there also many people who think the other way.

About the 2nd statement, leveling above 61 does take a good deal of skill. So making up there do require effort and ability. To be fair, I have seen a good deal of great and smart low level players. To be a "great player", research your job, and take the time get good gear and spells. Don't say "I want level 40 now, and I don't care what of new things I need to know or gear I need to buy on my way there!" A SMN 20+ that has no avatars, Paladin wearing bronze subligar (ewww), or a Red Mage with no dispel need to be flushed into the toilet.

Here I do not mean Monster Signa, Emperor Hairpin, or Erase. But things like Mage Ballad, Phalnax Rings, Dispel, Viruna... Gears and spells that you will need to preform your job. You don't have to be top notch, but you have to be reasonable.

Edited, Tue Oct 5 12:23:38 2004 by scchan

Edited, Tue Oct 5 12:28:16 2004 by scchan
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#56 Oct 05 2004 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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i agree with Sschan. well said. ^^
#57 Oct 05 2004 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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/sigh I need to get my in-game fiance dispel so no one flushes her down the toilet. LoL
#58 Oct 05 2004 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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i think a lot of assumptions are made on both sides of the fence. I will forever consider myself a noob because there is always something new to learn in the game, always some pleasant surprise waiting around the corner, or some snake that is just waiting to kick your butt.

IMHO, genkai 1 is the first true make or break phase in the game-then comes AF which is a true brain buster. The reason why i say this, is for the most part, a lot of the prior quests, subjob, ranks 1-3, RSE, kahzam keys etc. can be done solo. The test is when you NEED to actually become part of a group/alliance that all want the same things all at once. A lot of drama happens during this phase becuase you suddenly get immersed in a different organization of mostly random people who mostly are after what they need first (its just a natural thing for a lot of people).

Once AF is complete, it becomes such a great breath of fresh air and this is where most people in the area either a.) become really mean self-important snobs who have no time for "noobs" - (who at one point were noobs too... but have gotten a case of level amnesia) or b.) take the accomplishment as a great feat and take the time to get others along the path. If help is given be thankful if not, it really is not their fault either. Asking for a favor does not require a guaranteed "YES" just because you asked. A lot of people in this range are also willing to take a break from the leveling grind to do fun things too! I enjoy helping others when i can, if i can - as long as the people asking for help arent self-centered egotistical maniacs who think too much of themselves. I asked for help on things that i needed help for, and when i dont get it, i do other stuff... the world offers soooo much to do that one brick wall will not stop me.

just as in any level range, there are good and bad apples. There will always be jerks and saints in any range level.

I also think that although help may or may not be offered in whatever it is that needs to be done, it might be a good exercise for new players to experience getting by without the power levels(this tends to create non voking WARS, non healing mages, non dispeling RDMs, stingy RNGs, overnuking BLMs etc), without the super high levels killing all the mobs for them, feel the frustration of doing quests that seem impossible but then coming out of it with such a feeling of satisfaction when they are done. The quests and missions are a great EXPERIENCE.

the bottom line, is that all things are possible if enough time and effort is put into your goal. Learning your chosen job is the most important thing and attitude, be it good or bad, creates a reputation on the server- and THAT goes a long way.

#59 Oct 05 2004 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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IMHO, genkai 1 is the first true make or break phase in the game-then comes AF which is a true brain buster. The reason why i say this, is for the most part, a lot of the prior quests, subjob, ranks 1-3, RSE, kahzam keys etc. can be done solo. The test is when you NEED to actually become part of a group/alliance that all want the same things all at once. A lot of drama happens during this phase becuase you suddenly get immersed in a different organization of mostly random people who mostly are after what they need first (its just a natural thing for a lot of people).


I highly encourage low levels to do the expansion missions in the Crags and the Ecowarrior quest. You got a taste of working with others. To prevail in the Crags and Ecowarrior, good teamwork with people you don't know is neccessary.

Past level 50s... Quests like AF3 (for most jobs), Genkai II, or Zilart Mission 4 require good order of teamwork and discpline. Being stupid with the Boreal Tiger or in the good ole Temple and Den of Rancor = A lot of deaths. And dying at that level is not fun. Level 60+ death with no raise costs at least 3000 exp points.


Edited, Tue Oct 5 16:05:43 2004 by scchan

Edited, Tue Oct 5 16:10:08 2004 by scchan
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