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Hey everyone. I just wanted to see if I could take your temperature on a certain situation that has recently happened in the game.

I'll explain this as best as I can. I will leave out any names of the parties involved, and I will admit at the beginning that I only do have one side of the story. I am ONLY recounting the things that mostly have been told to me during this whole spectacle. Although, I was with this person throughout the entire situation, and can personally vouch for several key details of this story.

A friend of mine had mannequin feet in his bazaar. He listed it at $10 Million mostly because he wasn't really planning to sell it. He stated that he never thought anyone would actually purchase mannequin feet for $10 Million.

Someone did.

A high-level, high-rank player.

A few days later, the person that bought the mannequin feet told the person who sold them that it was a mistake. The person that bought it, for whatever reason, now did not want the mannequin feet and wanted his/her $10 Million back.

My friend initially said "no, a sale is a sale."

Now this high-level player then proceeds to tell my friend that if he doesn't trade back, my friend will experience many problems when he becomes a higher-level player.

The buyer proceeds to call my friend a thief. Of course this was in “tell” so I did not get to see any of it.

However, I believe it. I believe it because this person also puts up a search comment that states: " 'seller's name' return my $10 million. You are stealing from me because I made a mistake" (the search comment is now gone)

Now, in order to diffuse the situation some, I tell my friend to offer to return $5 Million to him/her. In my opinion, this is a reasonable action.

The person who purchased the mannequin feet does not think so; he/she refused that offer.

He continued to call my friend a thief.

Now, I know this is a somewhat frequent occurrence; someone bids more than an item is worth. I myself have bid $100,000 on a $10,000 item. However, a sale is a sale, and I would never renege. I know this pales in comparison to $10 Mil, but both situations lie on the same foundational principle: a sale is a sale. The fact that my friend offered $5 million to the buyer, makes it a unique situation however.

However, I make the following points:

1. He/she bought the item for the price named. It was in a bazaar.

2. He/she realized their mistake, and asked for the money back. When he/she did not get it, he/she went into a fit of harassment at the seller.

3. The seller offered to meet the buyer halfway; a gesture which surely was not required. The buyer refused this.

Now my friend stands ready to just re trade the item for the money. He is frustrated because of the continual harassment by this player. It has been going on all day. Again, I only have one side of the story, but from what I have heard and what I can reason myself, the account of this story by my friend has significant validity. If anyone knows of this situation, and can offer an account from the other side of this story, I would also like to hear that as well.

Cerebrus, what are your thoughts on this situation?

Thanks in advance for your insights.



{Peace}

Edit: Good judgment prevailed. My friend bought the mannequin feet back for $5 million. Although now a moot point, I'd still like to hear what people have to say about it.




Edited, Sat Jan 21 16:06:47 2006 by galapagosiananna

Edited, Sat Jan 21 16:30:14 2006 by galapagosiananna

You know, we've had a few threads on this subject before.

My view on it is, YOU make the mistake, that person is NOT obligated to give the money back. Does it suck? Yeah. Would it be nice of the person to give back the difference? Certainly. But MUST you give it back? No way.

And whoever this person is, they can't ruin your endgame experience singlehandedly. There are just waaaaaaaay too many HNMLS's out there to be able to do so.

And they're a **** for implying that they would.

Your friend is entitled to every single gil he got from that. Don't let anyone tell you differently. I'd normally say that you really -should- give it back, but with such a comment from the other player, he (she?) deserves to lose that money.

Buuuuut, that's just my opinion. Hope all turns out well for you, no matter what you decide. ^^

You want to know what to do about it? Here is what I WOULD DO. Not that you have to do this. First of all Im a guy thats about profit. Everything I do I try to make gil, same way in life, everything I do I try to make money. Nothing wrong with that.

When the guy sent me the first /tell I would have done what you tried to do already which was cut a deal to get the feet back for say (instead of 5 mil I mean you aregetting the feet back) I would try for 8 to 9 mil going back to him. Lets face it he caused you an inconvienence and you have to go back through the trouble of all of this again.

Where the line would have been crossed with me is when he threatened me. HONESTLY when he said you would have a hard time at higher levels I would have told him to ***** off. At this point keep the gil, blacklist him and dont worry about it. Why do I say this? HE bought the item, HE clicked the button, HE made the descision and now HE is giveing your friend the grief. NONE OF THIS YOUR FRIEND ASKED FOR! If he changes his tune and is willing to let your friend keep a lil bit for profit for his mistake then thats great.

OH and I have had something similar happen to me. I bought an item for 1 mil that was only 100k. NO I didnt go back to the person asking for it, he just had a lucky day didnt he. IT WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY not the sellers just like it was this guys responsibility that blew his 10 mil.

Everytime this happens to me, the person who made the mistake is no longer in the AH history. They don't have to look for me. I look for them. Only one person has even got the difference back from me. Others, I guess they didn't care, or could never catch me online. Little mistakes though, like 30,000k for fire crystals or 10k for wind(pre inflation mind you).

But I will give the difference back, the way I see it is, I still got paid for the item I sold to them. Just alittle bit more than it should have been. And giving back the difference is'nt making the sale worthless or anything.

If the buyer was a high level and high rank, then why did it take them a few days to realize they made a mistake by paying 10 million? Sounds like a bought account to me. Anyone who has been playing for a while would know the approximate value of the feet, and if it was a button they pressed by accident then they would have known it immediatly.

I don't feel bad for this person who overpaid.

(Amount I paid for mannequin feet - 60k)

If this were an AH purchase I would give back some money maybe all of it.

This was a bazaar purchase. To make a mistake here is much harder to do. Maybe I would give some money back, but to mistake 100,000 for 10,000,000 is crazy.

Since he was rude (although this is your story, I have not heard his), I would not give him anything.

Rep? meh, who knows, there were lots of people I felt rubbed me the wrong way, never blacklisted them but you know I always told myself I would never play with them again. You know what? I don't remember any of those players anymore lol.

I agree its important to have a good rep. However, I wouldn't be too concerned about it, there are too many people playing this game.

On an off-note, I think you write very eloquently. I might just decide to karma-camp you with rate-ups. =P

i think ama worries too much. lol. =)

An evidence of addiction :(

But I mostly just sit around Jeuno or Windurst, and may be go cook some game food or do exp pt. If anyone want to bother me, and I am paying attention, please bother me. :)

The world will so MUCH better if people take responsibility of their own actions... inclduing f**k ups. Too bad, we all know how humans are.

Edited, Thu Jan 26 10:21:20 2006 by scchan

double post ; ;

Edited, Fri Jan 27 21:02:33 2006 by FurionTheSamurai