This is my 2nd reply, because apperently it didn't post the first time ><
zedster wrote:
Concerning you quote, {clears throat}, let's speak opposite of this view point for a minute for those that believe more so in "science" and "evolution" rather than creationism. If there is no god, and we all evolved, then would homosexuality not be seen as a genetic defect? Here is my reasoning. No where else in the physical world, in any phylum, class, race, species, whatever do we find animals that are homosexual. Why, because that automatically would kill their chance to mate and procreate( the main function of animals we would consider inanimate and without thoughts and emotions)- they basically are born, grow/feed, mature, and then mate and pass on their genes through offspring. Well then, if the main function of life(in a genetic sense) is to precreate and pass our genes on (survival of the fittest) then homosexuality kills the chance for animals to live on past their present generation. Ok, so if human beings are animals in the same sense as evolutionists would say, just a primate, then our only purpose on this planet is to pass our genes on.
So my question is, why do we find NO OTHER ANIMALS IN THE WORLD who are born gay? There aren't any. Now, yeh, you may find a dumb dog who humps other boy dogs because he doesn't really know the difference, but you're never going to find any animal that is born homosexual from birth. For those who say they were born homosexual, I don't see how this happens. It would appear it is a "choice" to be homosexual, even if it's made at a young age. It just doesn't happen. Is it a genet defect then?
Edited, Apr 28th 2007 11:08pm by zedster
I'll let you know this since you are under a different impression....
I grew up on a farm and here was my experience from a child to young adult:
Any animal is capable of such acts, be it Horses, Sheep, Dogs, Cats, Geese, Pigs etc., when deprived of the opposite sex. I've seen all these animals commit such acts on the same sex of their respective species, and even some on other species. Such as Dogs humping Cats, Cats humping Dogs etc. Also I've seen female pigs humping other female pigs, in which they were mimicing they actions of male pigs.
But the truely odd one was the female lamb that would hump other female lambs, mimicing a males actions, but then would turn around and hump the male lambs in the same fashion.
But to say that animals are without Thought or Emotion is pure ignorance, plain and simple. If any animal(which includes Humans-regarless of what the Invisible Man in the sky and the Church says) were without thought or emotion. Then that animal or species would die out. Now Emotion isn't needed for singular survival but thought is(for a complex organism such as the animal kingdom), regardless of what you think is exclusively a Human trait. Without thought any animal would walk around aimlessly, not feeding itself, and eventually walking into the claws of a predator without fear. Emotion (and Thought)plays into the raising of offspring, and the forming of communities. Though people argue that it is instinct, and genetic make-up telling these animals to do these things. But if you watch nature long enough, you begin to realize that that isn't the case. Any and all animals are capable of fending for themselves and providing for themselves and don't need to tend to their young. Because instinct doesn't bridge the gap inbetween the need to eat for yourself and starving to feed your offspring. Because if animals ran on pure instinct they'd kill their offspring(and I've seen this too), in order to stay alive rather than starve to feed their young, and eventually die out as a species. But as this planet is filled with life, it is only Human ignorance that thinks that we are the only intelligent life-forms on this world.
But let me post this to you: Have you ever tried to catch a wild animal? Chances are if you tried you'd have a very hard time doing so. The reason? Most of the animals in this world have the genetic memory to fear Humans, and they have good reason to, because we as Humans have earned the distinction of being the Destroyers and Killers on this planet, we are the Top Predator of Planent Earth. There used to be a wild rabbit we all got a kick out of where I used to work at this TV Station. When we would go out and smoke, this rabbit would come up to us and kick it with us, and mingle. Now seeing as someone would say that an animals fear of humans is just instinct, why would this rabbit not have any fear of us? Why? Because as it's home was there near the building it spent alot of time there, and as it tested the waters with us at the station, it learned that we were no threat to it(just as a small child would do with someone it didn't know). But and this is a BIG "but", if we tried to touch its offspring(we found out were it's hole was) it would try to attack us. And we wouldn't see the rabbit for a few days. But it always came back. And it never tried to greet any geusts that came to the TV Station, which suggests that it knew the difference between individuals.
Also try watching the Discovery Channels, "Planet Earth" episode about ocean life. And try and watch the Dolphins fish for their food on a shoreline, and try and tell yourself that that's just mindless instinct. (That is the only thing I know that I can point out that I know you can have access to, to prove my point) And after you watch that, and you still think that animals are still mindless creatures then you really, really don't need to procreate and pass on mindless ignorance.
But back to the your main question. Did you know that there are records as far back as Ancient Greece refering to Homosexual acts? And it was considered, not out of the ordinary for such things to happen? I bet you didn't....
Also as a sidenote, we've had female animals that have never seen the male of their species mating actions(because we would get them at 3-4 weeks old, and raise them)(and we only had females) but strangely enough they'd try and mimic a males mating actions on other females. Strange? yes very much, but when you get that urge to mate, apparently you have to take it out on someone. Strange as it may be.
So maybe Gay people are just pre-dispossed to such tendancies. As it is that our DNA carries the memories of our Ancestors, as is such with other animals. Maybe that genetic memory is predominate in Gay people, and predominates in early childhood. As I also do not believe that people are born gay either. I choose the simpliest answer which is that somewhere in that persons ancestoral past he had an ancestor that was either gay or did some acts that would be considered gay, and that that genetic memory was passed down to this person and that somewhere, something triggered that gene and it became predominate to normal reproductive habits. Now we most likely all have an ancestor that has done something along these lines, but it most likely isn't as predominate as those who become gay.
The way I think of it is like this: Being gay is like hair color, most people are born with their hair color they will keep all there lives. But if you are like me, I was born with one hair color and in early childhood something triggered my hair color to change from blonde to brown. But if you are like my little brother, he was born with red hair and still has his red hair. And though I am not gay, I can obviously see how something could shift a persons chemistry in early childhood, from one to another.
But no, Homosexuality would not be a "defect", it would just be a "Genetic Variance".
And no I don't believe that people are born gay, but I also don't believe that they had a choice about being gay either. I believe it was a shift in their early childhood that pushed them to be Homosexual. Weither it was genetic or that they chose to be that way.
Also ponder this.....
Why is it that on some days (of you have a dog) your dog is absolutely thrilled to see you, but on other days he couldn't care less that you were alive? It's called Emotion, Intelligence etc.
Edited, Apr 29th 2007 10:23am by Nuhnisgodly
