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#1 Feb 15 2006 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
Just a heads up to y'all...

Last night (2 am PST), my friend Kisho was looking for a crafter to make a SH out of his V. Claw and he found Littleamigo. Littleamigo said that he had 97 <Bonecraft> and 60 <Leathercraft>... so Kisho saw this as a good bet at success (hell, maybe even a +1).

Kisho traded the V. Claw + a 50k fee and oddly enough, the red DC sign appeared next to Littleamigo right after the trade was complete. Kisho stayed around waiting for him to log back in and/or for a GM to help him out. Neither of these happened, of course...

Littleamigo logged back in earlier today, and was pretending to be AFK and ignoring all /tell's. People may have heard the /shout's in Port Jeuno warning about Littleamigo who promptly ran to log out in front of the AH. I assume he put the V. Claw up for sale or sent it to a mule (i've heard that Smalleramigo and Roxi are his mules...) or to a friend.

I have also heard that he got booted from his LS for this (by the LS leader, whom i feel does not need to be involved here) , but I just wanted everyone else to be aware of his/her actions and be cautious in the future. We don't need to hear about Kisho shouldn't have trusted L.amigo and all that... we get it. :P Hopefully a GM will be able to fix this and we can move on.
Who knows, maybe Littleamigo will have the guts to own up to what he/she did and return it? >.> <.<


<Peace> <out>

~Teioh

Edited, Wed Feb 15 02:29:04 2006 by supertrix

Edited, Wed Feb 15 02:53:09 2006 by supertrix
#2 Feb 15 2006 at 4:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I hate to reuse the drab "I hope your friend realizes now why you don't just randomly trade off an item like that" line that's been overused lately but...it's true.

But thanks for the warning, a person on my friend list was looking for a bonecrafter last week and I'll be sure to steer him away from this person.
#3 Feb 15 2006 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I hate to reuse the drab "I hope your friend realizes now why you don't just randomly trade off an item like that" line that's been overused lately but...it's true.


What's the point of working to become a high level crafter, if no one is expected to be able trust anyone else in the slightest ?


I'm unsure if SE has a "no-scam" part to their rules. From past user comments, it seems to me like they're not too big on checking logs to see anything (what with the "oh, I wasn't there" type stuff -_-)... bleh.


Good luck to your friend.
#4 Feb 15 2006 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Naw recently SE updated their ToS...if you decide the terms of the crafting beforehand, and it's in the log, SE considers it a contract. Why raise a craft if you can't trust anyone? Maybe so you can make stuff for yourself or your friends.

Edited, Wed Feb 15 13:59:25 2006 by Gamion
#5 Feb 15 2006 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey no there's nothing wrong with being trusting. I'm sure people here appreciate the warning, I know I do. But this is a possibility every time you deal with a, well, stranger.

I know it's pathetic people in a game can't be trusted but this just keeps happening. And it's been happening far too often. Mostly because it's so easy for a person to lie in this game. Here use this:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=35;mid=113207697395297793;page=1

It's just as easy for these people to lie too but call it a hunch that they're a bit more reliable. :p

And I think Gamion is right about that contract post. I can't find it, but someone posted here how they reported a thief to a GM and he or she got the item back. Make sure you tell Kisho to report him and explain the situation, because there's a chance the item will be returned. Give it a shot anyway, the more people brought to justice the less we have to worry about thieves like this.
#6 Feb 15 2006 at 4:29 PM Rating: Default
This is one case where GMs can actually help you. It's happened lots of times, scamming is against the TOS and if you get a good GM, you can get the item back.
#7 Feb 16 2006 at 6:28 AM Rating: Decent
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lol, of all the things to ***** your reputation, why steal a v.claw. if you're gonna go stealing you might as well steal something worthwhile, like a kraken.
#8 Feb 16 2006 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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Naw recently SE updated their ToS...if you decide the terms of the crafting beforehand, and it's in the log, SE considers it a contract. Why raise a craft if you can't trust anyone? Maybe so you can make stuff for yourself or your friends.


This is absolutely correct. A GM will not reverse a trade if it was done voluntarily by both parties with dialogue in between. Whether or not the dialogue was accurate or false is where your risk lies.

If you can't find a friend of a friend or don't know anyone who has the skill you need, check the crafting list on this server on this site. Otherwise request a screenshot of the persons crafting skill with you in it. It's not hard for you to do and should take the crafter seconds. I have requested this before and done it for ppl before when then needed my Alchemy to make a Hakutaku Eye Cluster. Photobucket.com is a great place to post temporary pictures and just give them the address, or vice versa. Sorry to hear your friend lost a V.Claw, but just curious why you are posting instead of Kisho?
#9 Feb 16 2006 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
Well, it seems that the GM(s) who dealt with it decided to just give him a SH instead... must say that I'm impressed he got anything. As for Littleamigo, I have yet to see him/her (or the mules) online since then. I don't know if he/she was suspended or anything, but whatever... point is that Kisho recouped what he lost. ^^b

And to the person that asked, I'm posting this in place of Kisho because he dosen't have / want to make an account on here (i dunno why...) so I told him I'd help get the word out for him.

~Teioh
#10 Feb 17 2006 at 3:24 AM Rating: Default
I wanted to apologize for my actions i was not forced by the GM's to give back the item i choose to. It's true my LS leader and RL friend gave away the names of my mules and kicked me from my LS. And i want things to go back to normal once i return from my suspension which will last another 48 hours ill personally apologize to the owner of the vclaw. I'm not a bad person just an angry one at this game and i wish for forgiveness. Since no matter how much i would rather not play game im addicted >< but /tell me all you want about my mistake i deserve it take care everyone.
#11 Feb 17 2006 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
Lol even though you say you are sorry your rep on bismarck is pretty much ruined. You cant just expect to be forgiven for what ya did and for people to pretend that it never happened. You will always be known as a Thief and that will never change now matter how sorry you are.
#12 Feb 17 2006 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
Really though,

what the hell were you thinking? Common Sense (Do you have it?>
#13 Feb 17 2006 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Since no matter how much i would rather not play game im addicted ><


Well this is a good way to make an exit. I saw a humorous post a little bit ago about a guy who came up with a fun solution to solve his ffxi addiction.

He had tried to quit before and ended up coming back, so he decided to go out with a bang. He sent a tell to GMs saying he was about to mpk people in yhoator jungle, then he went on a rampage there and when the GMs showed up he just made fun with them and actually it was really funny. He got put in jail and suspended for a bit, not banned.

So on his return, he sent a few more GM calls, such as 'will have sex for gil' and when the GMs showed up more humor ensued. Anyway, eventually he got perma banned, after saying goodbye to his friends. So.... if you really wanna quit, use this to your advantage! It will be a lot easier to quit when youre not missed

Fyn
#14 Feb 17 2006 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Just a note...who says this guy posting is littleamigo and not some troll trying to ruin his reputation further thru some sadistic means. I'm not sticking up for littleamigo in any way, but notice the post count. Yes it's possible he doesnt post here and just created an account, but given past instances I'm inclined to disagree. What pointed him in the direction of this site, just now? Perhaps a friend who saw the post about him? Maybe /hatetells...who knows...just beware. This person might try to stir the pot so to speak, and thus make some people angry towards this person who did nothing further than the original intent of this post.
#15 Feb 17 2006 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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Hamith wrote:
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Since no matter how much i would rather not play game im addicted ><


Well this is a good way to make an exit. I saw a humorous post a little bit ago about a guy who came up with a fun solution to solve his ffxi addiction.

He had tried to quit before and ended up coming back, so he decided to go out with a bang. He sent a tell to GMs saying he was about to mpk people in yhoator jungle, then he went on a rampage there and when the GMs showed up he just made fun with them and actually it was really funny. He got put in jail and suspended for a bit, not banned.

So on his return, he sent a few more GM calls, such as 'will have sex for gil' and when the GMs showed up more humor ensued. Anyway, eventually he got perma banned, after saying goodbye to his friends. So.... if you really wanna quit, use this to your advantage! It will be a lot easier to quit when youre not missed

Fyn


lmfao

I finally know how I'm gonna quite when that time comes.
#16 Feb 17 2006 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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Amigo's post seems pretty benign to me. I understand your warning, but from what I read he doesn't appear to be trying to "stir the pot." He admitted what he did, accepted responsibility, and apologized. Nothing controversial.
#17 Feb 17 2006 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, I know, just mentioned it from stuff I've seen in the past in case it began to turn into something like that. I wasn't accusing :P just mentioning. ^^
#18 Feb 18 2006 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
Asking for everyone with an opinion about this situation who has read this post to send /tells, I believe, is stirring the pot.

Why would someone want to hear more about a mistake that they've made. This so called "littleamigo" poster didn't provide any confirmed details about the situation that you couldn't have obtained by reading the whole thread.

I'm not trying to defend littleamigo, by any stretch, I just think that this is a clever way to give a thieving loser a rough time. Which I'm all for. Down with thieves.

Edited, Sat Feb 18 19:17:02 2006 by Stryknine
#19 Feb 21 2006 at 8:07 PM Rating: Decent
You guys are really hard on this guy, he gave the damn claw back. Isn't that the right thing to do? You realy should keep ridiculing him like this, he deserves some dignity. He admitted he was wrong, apologized, gave it back...

If you ask me anyone who looks down upon him is the one who should be ashamed of themselfs.
#20 Feb 21 2006 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
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You guys are really hard on this guy, he gave the damn claw back. Isn't that the right thing to do? You realy should keep ridiculing him like this, he deserves some dignity. He admitted he was wrong, apologized, gave it back...

If you ask me anyone who looks down upon him is the one who should be ashamed of themselfs.



By this theory everyone who has ever done anything wrong should just be able to say, "I'm sorry, I was wrong." and then it will be fine. I don't find this acceptable. Yes there are different degrees to the infraction, but there has to be some point to draw the line.
#21 Feb 21 2006 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
Ok, I'll give you that. If someone nukes the state of pennsylvania and kills 3 million people I think there is a line there. But no matter how addicting it is, this is still a "game" and everyone deserves to enjoy it all the same.

And even with the 3 million people dead, no one can "give that back" but if theoretically their lives could be "given back" my theory would still work? I dunno just thinking a little there.

Peace.
#22 Feb 21 2006 at 9:22 PM Rating: Default
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Ok, I'll give you that. If someone nukes the state of pennsylvania and kills 3 million people I think there is a line there. But no matter how addicting it is, this is still a "game" and everyone deserves to enjoy it all the same.

And even with the 3 million people dead, no one can "give that back" but if theoretically their lives could be "given back" my theory would still work? I dunno just thinking a little there.

Peace.


Since when did LittleAmigo nuke the state of pennsylvania and kill 3 million people. I'm sorry that has nothing to do with what this thread is about...
#23 Feb 22 2006 at 12:03 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, I'll give you that. If someone nukes the state of pennsylvania and kills 3 million people I think there is a line there. But no matter how addicting it is, this is still a "game" and everyone deserves to enjoy it all the same.

And even with the 3 million people dead, no one can "give that back" but if theoretically their lives could be "given back" my theory would still work? I dunno just thinking a little there.

Peace.



True, but like I said, there has to be 'some' point to draw the line. That is where the rules in the ToS are defined.
#24 Feb 25 2006 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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this being a game makes being an *** okay ?

hm. I love that way of thinking.


If someone steals my stuff, then gives it back only because he was coerced into doing so, I'll still think he's an ***, online or not.

Edited, Sat Feb 25 10:02:09 2006 by Niji
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