So... I log on this morning, thinking I might be able to take my Red Mage up to 21 before I have to head in to work.
As always, it's a pain getting a party on Qufim Isle, but after a little tomfoolery, I manage to worm my way into a party who lost a member due to DC that never returned.
The puller of this party? A war/whm... ok.. I can go with that, people trying interesting combos... I've always been one for experimentation.
After the party disbands, I start /sea spamming to try and put together another party for the hour I had left. And what do I find? At least 4 or 5 more warriors with /rdm or /whm for their subjobs.
Is this a new trend? Or, as my friend put it, have "the newbies of Valkrum managed to level their way to Qufim?"
Now, I'm not intending this to be a flame, or a rant, or a post on the "stupidness" (note the quotations) of people. I'm just curious as to why they might have chosen this mix. Is this a new trend starting up for the "lower" level zones? Or is there actual backing support to have a mage class subbed for a warrior for various reasons?
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probably just a bunch of wannabe paladins training for their future job.
I was a warrior white mage all the way to level 30 and no one ever complained about my jobs as a tank. I think that people should be able to choose whichever subjob that they want. It's their game they should get what they want out of it. As long as the person does their main job proficiently then there should be no problem.
...don't ask! it kept saying there was an error and when I looked back none of my responses were posted... ><
Edited, Tue Sep 21 12:30:49 2004 by Yekan
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lol how do u delete these things? o_O?
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oh man...stoopid internet...
Edited, Tue Sep 21 12:29:37 2004 by Yekan
Edited, Tue Sep 21 12:29:37 2004 by Yekan
I have no complaints about the way the war/whm performed his duties in my party. In fact, both warriors were bouncing vokes back and forth nicely. It was the chain nuking black mages that were drawing aggro from their casting.
My curiosity was just piqued, because I never saw the war/whm cast any healing spells or defensive buffs. He just performed his role as a tanking warrior, which led me to believe that he wasn't reaping any benifit from subbing whm (except a small mana pool).
However, like I said, I'm all about experimentation, so more power to him for being different and still doing his job.
--Arondight, Bismarck
My curiosity was just piqued, because I never saw the war/whm cast any healing spells or defensive buffs. He just performed his role as a tanking warrior, which led me to believe that he wasn't reaping any benifit from subbing whm (except a small mana pool).
However, like I said, I'm all about experimentation, so more power to him for being different and still doing his job.
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I don't know about everyone else, but I can't wait to level my WAR to 20 so's I can sub Ninja and be a bloodthirsty Taru!
Beware the rabbit with two axes! Rawr!
Beware the rabbit with two axes! Rawr!
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I've seen this before and I asked these people playing the crazy combos whats up.
The answer? noobish, nay. new type of playing style, nay. Turns out that these subs are the only other job they have leveled and are too lazy to go back and level a suitable subjob. Im not the type to kick a person with crazy subs but if Im picking a party they are the last resort as far as invites are concerned.
The answer? noobish, nay. new type of playing style, nay. Turns out that these subs are the only other job they have leveled and are too lazy to go back and level a suitable subjob. Im not the type to kick a person with crazy subs but if Im picking a party they are the last resort as far as invites are concerned.
WAR/WHM --> Ghetto Paladin
I'm not bashing it however, as I've played with 2 such people since level 25 and I must say they actually did a better job then most WAR/MNK I partied with.
I'm not bashing it however, as I've played with 2 such people since level 25 and I must say they actually did a better job then most WAR/MNK I partied with.
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I recently partied with a WAR/WHM in Valk while leveling my MNK sub for WAR. She told me that she subbed WHM so that she could cure poison. Utilitarian, sure, but a good WHM looks and cures poison when it is needed. Personally, I'd rather have more HP and VIT, but not everyone plays like I do.
Your subjob hardly makes a difference at qufim levels, at best it's a novelty. WAR/WHM vs WAR/MNK probably provides 40-50 less hp with cures that will 1) easily make up for it and 2) hold hate better.
What might be curious is a War/Whm at level 31+ then I might be asking why they didn't choose a better subjob or go Paladin outright.
As an aside, Qufim Island is just as much of a 'noob' zone as Valkurm Dunes is. Same goes for Kazham. Really, I didn't stop running into a constant flow of morons until I broke level 38 or so. Even then I ran into my fair share of underlevelled and underskilled players (*cough* Devilwolf, you crack me up, buy some new armor or don't tank please! *cough*). Actually, I plan to encounter idiots through the entire game. That is what you get when you play a game whose merit lies primarily in tedious repetition that any jerkoff can succeed in. I have played with more than a few rank 10 players who are total morons.
Heh, the moral of that little mini-rant is, don't judge a character by their subjob, base your decisions on the main job and ask them why that's subbed, and if it's THAT BIG OF A DEAL, ask if they can sub something else. The only case I'd do otherwise is Paladin, as Squeenix has seen it in their infinite wisdom to gimp the subjob choices of this mainjob. It's practically useless as tank without provoke *sigh*
What might be curious is a War/Whm at level 31+ then I might be asking why they didn't choose a better subjob or go Paladin outright.
As an aside, Qufim Island is just as much of a 'noob' zone as Valkurm Dunes is. Same goes for Kazham. Really, I didn't stop running into a constant flow of morons until I broke level 38 or so. Even then I ran into my fair share of underlevelled and underskilled players (*cough* Devilwolf, you crack me up, buy some new armor or don't tank please! *cough*). Actually, I plan to encounter idiots through the entire game. That is what you get when you play a game whose merit lies primarily in tedious repetition that any jerkoff can succeed in. I have played with more than a few rank 10 players who are total morons.
Heh, the moral of that little mini-rant is, don't judge a character by their subjob, base your decisions on the main job and ask them why that's subbed, and if it's THAT BIG OF A DEAL, ask if they can sub something else. The only case I'd do otherwise is Paladin, as Squeenix has seen it in their infinite wisdom to gimp the subjob choices of this mainjob. It's practically useless as tank without provoke *sigh*
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No.
Actually, war/whm sucks somewhat even before 30. It's not so much that between a war/mnk and a war/whm that somehow the war/whm will just pathetically die all the time or miss every swing, or swing for 2...but that the overall performance is noticably worse, and no, you will not notice it unless you party with a war/mnk or war/nin while you are a war/whm. Even then, you might not notice it because noticing that kind of thing is uncomfortable, and you'd likely just justify it by saying "omg, but I can like cure twice!"
:/
The cure-for-hate is nice in theory, but like a pld you'd lose tp resting mp back (please oh please at least rest it back or drink juice) but UNlike a pld you'd only get one cure II and maybe another cure at qufim levels which isn't impressive at all for hate control. It helps, to be sure, but not very much. For reference, a full pld can Cure II at qufim levels at least four or five times.
To top it off, you'll have a few points less str than a war/mnk and not hold hate as well that way either (by the way, doing damage means you get hate...), you don't get boost, more HP, or more VIT stat. You don't get the shadows to avoid damage that a war/nin does. For your trouble, you get a cure II and a cure. And you can cure poison.
No.
It's not going to get millions of qufim innocents killed, but there is no argument for war/whm unless it is soloing.
Also, it's just my luck that every war/whm I've ever partied with has had armor that needed updating and never rested mp or voked. So maybe it's my bad experiences talking. Either way, /whm doesn't give much to a warrior in party.
Like Yekan says, it's just a game and sub what you like.
Usually this war/whm and war/rdm phenomenon happens with every new influx of players because it sounds good in theory (and I think it's in the stupid brady strat book...). Normally they all hit 30 and go do the drk or pld quest and it dies off for a while, so I wouldn't worry too much.
No.
Actually, war/whm sucks somewhat even before 30. It's not so much that between a war/mnk and a war/whm that somehow the war/whm will just pathetically die all the time or miss every swing, or swing for 2...but that the overall performance is noticably worse, and no, you will not notice it unless you party with a war/mnk or war/nin while you are a war/whm. Even then, you might not notice it because noticing that kind of thing is uncomfortable, and you'd likely just justify it by saying "omg, but I can like cure twice!"
:/
The cure-for-hate is nice in theory, but like a pld you'd lose tp resting mp back (please oh please at least rest it back or drink juice) but UNlike a pld you'd only get one cure II and maybe another cure at qufim levels which isn't impressive at all for hate control. It helps, to be sure, but not very much. For reference, a full pld can Cure II at qufim levels at least four or five times.
To top it off, you'll have a few points less str than a war/mnk and not hold hate as well that way either (by the way, doing damage means you get hate...), you don't get boost, more HP, or more VIT stat. You don't get the shadows to avoid damage that a war/nin does. For your trouble, you get a cure II and a cure. And you can cure poison.
No.
It's not going to get millions of qufim innocents killed, but there is no argument for war/whm unless it is soloing.
Also, it's just my luck that every war/whm I've ever partied with has had armor that needed updating and never rested mp or voked. So maybe it's my bad experiences talking. Either way, /whm doesn't give much to a warrior in party.
Like Yekan says, it's just a game and sub what you like.
Usually this war/whm and war/rdm phenomenon happens with every new influx of players because it sounds good in theory (and I think it's in the stupid brady strat book...). Normally they all hit 30 and go do the drk or pld quest and it dies off for a while, so I wouldn't worry too much.
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Usually this war/whm and war/rdm phenomenon happens with every new influx of players because it sounds good in theory (and I think it's in the stupid brady strat book...).
lol it is in the book ^^ The book says that WAR/WHM isn't that great for parties, but who reads that far down? XD
I won't be critical really, I was a RDM/THF until level 25. I mostly soloed, so it didn't matter, but I'm glad that a passing player laid into me and explained why WHM or BLM would be much better.
Clear me up if I'm wrong on this, but do the cures of a WHM sub (remembering Cure 2 doesn't happen until lvl 22) really make up for the lost HP and VIT?
I always assumed not, but then I only took WAR to 14.
Edit: 13! Not 14! Sheesh!
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Not only do you have less mp, but your healing skill is also halved, so your Cure 2 probably isn't going to be mana efficient anyway. I haven't tested this, but my girlfriend was playing BRD/WHM at level 15 and her Cure 1 still didn't quite hit 30 hp. Her healing skill is maxed seeing as her main is a 32 WHM, so that halved skill does make a difference. When I played PLD I don't think my Cure 2 was mana efficient until the late 20s and I think PLD have a B in healing magic. My skill, if not capped, was very close because I sit around and do nothing while casting cure over and over to cap skills. <weeps> So much time lost!
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WAR/WHM --> Ghetto Paladin
I'm not bashing it however, as I've played with 2 such people since level 25 and I must say they actually did a better job then most WAR/MNK I partied with.
I'm not bashing it however, as I've played with 2 such people since level 25 and I must say they actually did a better job then most WAR/MNK I partied with.
>.< ele am i oen of thsoe war/mnk that they did a better job then?
WAR/WHM is the new PLD!
Use it wisely, Use it boldly! You will be dubbed a ******!
Use it wisely, Use it boldly! You will be dubbed a ******!
Wow, now I feel silly for taking my war/whm to level 30. At the time it didn't seem to be a bad subjob but everyone seems to have something against it now. And does it really say in the book that it is a bad subjob? I must have missed that! *searches for her book* But hey it isn't like I kept it, White Mage was the job for me! ^^ But if you want to experiement with war/whm it is a lot of fun. I enjoyed it.
You want to hear about strangeness in Qufim..well I got a GREAT pick-up party there last night...(never cease to be amazed). We only lasted an hour, but we all dinged ^^.
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