English speakers useless?Follow

This is really starting to make me mad. A friend today mentioned to me that once a JP party invites you and they find out you're NA, they start ignoring you or suddenly the PT becomes "full". I've had this happened to me once, I was in port jeuno and I got an invite with some japanese and it said "PT?" so I reply that I do not know japanese, and ask if they needed a red mage. There was no reply. Ever.

It's clear that there are several newbies out there giving a bad reputation to english players, mostly RDMs, DRKs, PLDs, and other overpopulated jobs. Now the question is how the hell do we allow people to get so far in leveling? I mean a BRD/SAM to 75? Come on, you can't be THAT pathetic.

The other day I was doing Genkai 2, and we had another RDM in the alliance, he was wearing a lord yukata's a fencing degen, some crappy targe, and no other gear. When I asked him why he was so horribly gimped he replied that he threw away his AF and sold the rest of his gear. I really did the best I could to stop him from breaking the 55 limit, but I knew he'd just get another party 10 minutes afterwards JUST for being a red mage. After telling him he was of no use to the genkai 2 parties he tried to make me pity him...something that obviously doesn't work against me. I told him he could leave if he wanted to and so he warped and disbanded.
WHY the hell did he ever get in the party in the first place?
I just don't get how sucky players can pick a "needed" job like PLD, RDM, BRD, etc and gimp it all the way to 75. It's just not fair. I spent good money on my dark and light staves, my spells, spent time leveling my subjob to a decent level...I just don't get it, I'm up against these gimped *** RDMs and somehow sometimes they still get a party before me, or we end up in the same one.
I don't know, but it seems to me we REALLY need to start a thread with people who have gimped gear/spells/subjobs, and recommend good people for the parties, at least TRY to weed out the newbs by ourselves. Though somehow they'll end up in a party anyway, we can try our best to not bring them into OUR parties. It's unfair to people who play the job well and spend countless hours/gil leveling subjobs, farming, whatever it be.

If you're looking for good DRKs, there are plenty, you got Kulganflame, you got Fly, you got Stormchaser, I've partied with them and they're all great(I haven't had an exp party with kulgan, but he's in my LS and has helped me loads with my coffer keys). If you want good RDMs, you got Alauce, Neocraze, and I(unfortunately for you I'm in a set right now *grin*). Dataloss is an all around AWESOME player, he does any job you throw at him well, he has played WHM, BLM and most recently THF. I don't see him on often anymore, but if he's still around and lfg, send him a tell. As far as tanks go, Yeti and Bagram are both awesome PLDs, I've known yeti for a long time, and I've partied with her PLD since she was 17, so I know what I'm talking about.

See? It's not so hard to find good players, I just mentioned a handful, and they got your basic jobs covered, healer, tank, dd, etc. So what's the problem here? Do you really need a BRD/SAM that badly just because he's a BRD?


Sorry for the rant, but FFXI is just gonna get unenjoyable if this continues.

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I found that in the "Bad players alert" thread and thought it to be pretty humorous.
Most inexperienced and "incompetant" players these days, make it past 60 without breaking a sweat. My good sir, it seems to me you fail to catch the point of such threads, it IS nothing but elitism against inexperienced and "incompetant" players, not just morons. And if people are gonna start being cowards about it and _NOT_ boot "incompetant" people from their parties for being inexperienced/gimped, that'll only make MORE level 75 rank 10 players unjustly impose elitism upon you, since they'll see you're just allowing more newbies to reach their level.
Treat others as you want to be treated? we're not in catholic school here, treat rookies for what they are and you'll be respected by those who are not amateurs for your wisdom in seeing the difference.


Edited, Sun Sep 5 03:34:12 2004 by Tiocfaidh

Heh, I can picture it.
"/sh som1 help with iq test plz"

Well I haven't had a problem getting PTs english or japanese and i haven't had problems with japanese ignoring me. As to bad players getting far, well that is because a lot of people don't care as long as the xp doesn't get lost dramatically. i however hate that, why simply put i believe you expect me to know how to do my job decently(at the very least) why shouldn't I? I will rag on others who still don't know how to do their job no matter what race/job post 30(my bad player cut off) if you don't know how to do something in a PT simply ask and you should get an answer of sorts. I am a galka smn/whm so since i have learned how to do my job why should i let someone else get away with crap gear and bad playing skills. *sorry ranting* I don't think you need uber gear but at the very least current useful gear. (in other words a whm with tons of INT buffs doesn't work for me at all)

As to Blazingtiger you should check him often he uses a lot of dif subs for brd and from what i have been able to find out besides whm for a very few cures or blm for crap MBs well BRD subs aren't that important so saying he is bad for trying something different is wrong.

Until people start to actually give a crap about a XP Leech bad players will always get by.

Edited, Mon Sep 6 01:46:15 2004 by shadowbuni

What the!!!!

O_o



Didn't you just get done running me down for suggesting that RDM ought to wear decent gear? With massive and vicious sarcasm at that?

It's the red mages that are gimpy at 30 that end up continuing to be gimpy at 50. Plain and simple. And once they figure out that they could show up in the starting armor and still be allowed to level, that's what they're going to do.

When they manage to get through Yhoator jungle in lizard gear, how can you tell them at 50 to go out and get decent armor? Do you think they're going to?

I'm completely thrown by your 180 on opinion. ><

I am a lvl 50 blm and quite frankly take offence to this, i am almost always broke, i keep my spells and my armor as up to date as i can and have frequently stopped lvling for extended periodes of time so that i can stay as up to date as possible,
iv never had an opertunity to do a bcnm and can only make gil in any remotly expediant manner thru farming which takes a very long time. There are severale mages in my current Ls and none of them have been able to make that much gil in such a short time, and its offensive to think that sumone has the gaul to call them lazy without even knowing them when they have spent countless hours NM camping trying BCNM's (without success) and regular farming so that they themselves arnt forced to lvl a 'gimped job'. i personaly have never had more then 90k, which is not alot considering the price of the spells i need, let alone the equipment.
to my own detriment i have focused my gil on spells that will improve my performance in a party by making sure i have all my non aoe spells (and if u dont know,its rather difficult to farm trains in areas like pashhow/rolanberry when ure strongest aoe is firaga).
i apoligize if im not able to shell out 80k for
eremites rings +1, or 40k for mages slacks.
i have other jobs in addition to my blm that i need to keep current as well, including ranger which is not cheap.
part of my lack of gil is indeed my own fault as i also help other people if they need it, indeed recently i escorted 2 people to selbina from windurst for their first time there and despite my own poverty, gave them each enough gil to purchase a map of the area so they wernt as much of a burden on their parties.

I apoligize for the rant, but after everything both i and my friends have done to make the gil we need to lvl our jobs, i find it abit insulting to see sumone arrogantly assume that evryone is able to make so much with so little effort.

/kneel.

Thank you for the polite reply Zylador, and at this level, I see your point.

Refresh and Dispel alone left me broke for quite a long time. I was selling off very good equipment from some of my melee jobs to pay for all this stuff, and I too was in Centurion's up until the Brigandine (with some necessary RSE tossed in, as I'm Elvaan)
I don't consider lower-level armor at these levels (post 30) to be gimped, personally. Where I can take offense to a RDM in full Lizard armor at level 28 (when the spells are still relatively inexpensive, and the armor even more so), I can understand where the heavy defense becomes less important after 41.

I also saw your post where you mentioned wearing a mix of Lizard and Beetle in the jungles of Kazham. Maybe I was a bit too fast to generalize, as you clearly got through several Genkai, and are not gimpy by any measure.

My complaint against it is that in a 25-35 party, up close to a pk'ed mob, it's better to have all the protection you can get. At level 17, there isn't that much excuse not to have good equipment, because the RDM's chief role in the party is debuff/melee.
When the later levels come, I notice that I'm casting more than meleeing; in general I'm standing next to the mob and constantly casting something. A hit goes in once in a while, but the mob is much more impressed with the PLD than he is with me. So the armor can slip a little; hell, the defense on the RSE is terrible ^^

It does necessitate slipping to the mages' nook when the Hornflies are being pulled <_<
Damn you, Cursed Sphere. Yes. Damn you.

Thanks again for the reply, and yes, I did generalize a little overmuch. But when I see a RDM go jogging by in full level 17 armor, it always makes me wonder if he bothered to buy all his spells, or if his stat boosts exist. What kind of sword is this guy carrying? Stuff along those lines.

And ; ; for the ratedown guys; man, I open my mouth too much and I always end up spanked ;)

Not a 180 opinion. As Zylador explained, our gear is very limited until RSE, specially from 17-30.
So yes, lizard armor is pretty much all you've got until RSE, and really all you SHOULD get until 30. It's not being gimped, it's saving money for the upcoming spells...Y'know, dispel, etc, after dispel you really shouldn't have an excuse for not having up-to-date rings, earrings etc.
Really though, RDMs have it MUCH easier than many people seem to think, by subbing BLM we can use -ga spells to farm easily, not to mention drain and aspir to reduce downtime(Though I don't quite get why you would have downtime farming as an RDM), you can sub THF to improve drop rates, you can sub NIN to kill things faster, and if you sub WHM you can do BCNM40s with ease, Giddeus? not a problem. I do it as an RDM/BLM though eventually I'll get WHM to 37 just to have it. Palsborough? hah, even easier.
Get to know people who do BCNMs and make static BCNM parties, like the one I have. It's not impossible, you just have to show the slightest bit of effort to look for these people.
As for BLMs farming...well, I've seen many BLMs hang about qufim at lvl 40-ish hunting down elementals. Just go to a zone where there are elementals often and nuke them with your strongest spells(How hard is it to go to shakhrami, sleep an elemental, debuff it and cast freeze? These are air elementals, they will most likely be shot down all at once by freeze). Or like cel said, just go berserk with those -ga spells on lowbie areas.
I must tell you when farming in qufim I've seen some light elementals spawn, rarely, of course, but they spawn. And having thf at 32 not only provides me with higher stats boost than at 15, more HP, but I can flee and get there faster(Light weather tends to not stay very long =[)
It's all about taking your time, there's no rush in getting to 60 for that pimp hat. Level other jobs, plvl people to raise that enhancing/healing skill, and farm, farm, farm.
You may not agree with my views, but if you don't, you're obviously wrong, since you can't possibly supply an argument for farming being hard SPECIALLY as an RDM.
I don't believe in rating down anybody, but if you wish to rate me down, go ahead. I care not, it will only show you've failed at supplying intelligent arguments and had to resort to childish measures.
Good day.

Well, thank you for the unusually polite reply, but I didn't rate you down. The only people I've ever rated down here were Smartiekjm and some RDM on the DRK forums that was making an *** of himself.

I make a point of supplying intelligent arguments. That's what I do. I like to be taken seriously when debating a point in public, and so I don't resort to anything other than my own point of view, thought out to the best logical conclusion as I see it. If I can slip a funny in at my opponent's expense, all's fair in love and war, but I try to be at least subtle about it. But while you might not like my cake, the ingredients are legitimate. I believe in fair play.

Which doesn't include ratedowns, those are reserved for total asshats. I think what we have here is some kind of base miscommunication, at least judging from the similar (yet somehow debated) point made between this post and mine.

I jumped to Bismarck around in July, and have limited time to play, which is usually in the mornings CST, where most of the pt's are Japanese. I was a Mithra War/Mnk, now a 15DRK/7WAR, and I never have had problems with getting into a Japanese Party. If there are more japanese parties than english, I always put in auto translate *I don't Speak japanese* *Japanese* *party* *please invite me* and I always get invites. And usually I don't ***** about stuff, and I go with the flow and I have to say besides some great players in my LS, and a select few, the *** parties rock. People aren't timid, and will fight a mob to the end, and I have never had a problem getting a raise in a *** party. Of course this is my personal experience. One of the best parties I played in was in Qufim on Migardsormr, I was a 24 Mithra RDM/12BLM... and we had a BLM, a PLD, a DRK, RNG and a BRD... and we were chaining Pugs and Snips.... we had a few deaths but we kept drilling. When I was a WAR in Qufim on BIsmarck, with English players, we had a RDM/WHM, PLD/WAR, WAR/MNK (me,) DRK/MNK, BLM/WHM, and a RNG... and everyone whined that we didn't have a whm. We did really great until we pulled a little tougher pug than we wished and the PLD dropped and the DRK and RDM bolted. I sat there and luckily dropped it with the BLM/WHM healing and the RNG and me hitting it for all we could. The sad thing is it's always is almost like that. The party disbanded because we didn't have a whm and everyone said they told me so, and I almost leveled in 35 minutes...

Well, I can't say it's always like that... but generally it is.

Okay.. I guess I am through ranting... lol.

Yep, GPT from Good ol'Herv. :3

Took a break from RDM to level MNK.
Got to 38 so far by leveling with the LS, it's often 4-5 LS people and a random pickup person, who usually we get lucky enough and knows how to do their job right.
Well, most of these people weren't on when I was on this morning so I decided to go LFG, now being a MNK/THF I expect to wait hours for a PT invite but hey! I get lucky(or so I thought) and as soon as I flag I get invited to...yup! CN!
CN is horribly overcrowded now, it's impossible to level there, so I use my Monk's decent charisma points and I guess manage to convince them to go to Altepa, the WHM decides he wants to try CN first. But luckily, we didn't! We head straight to jeuno and warp to altepa, our RDM had d/ced and our SAM was AFK, so the WHM decides to leave, thank you pick up WHMs for once again proving you serve nothing to the party!
The leader position is thrown around a bit until it lands on me. We had an RDM in the party, and I could tell she was a good player, so when she got back, I started looking for a tank, since we had a WAR/SAM wearing elvaan RSE and a scythe as our main tank. So I see a 39/16 WAR/NIN, now I'm thinking...Meh, underleveled subjob, at least he can tank better than a war/sam with blink, he also had the teleport-altep GC so he seemed promising.
God, was I wrong. He gets to us sporting cuir armor and some dual axes, and as always the usual "OMG NO WHM WE GUNNA DIE NUBS!" line is said. So I calmly explain that we have a blink tank and that the only use for a WHM before 56 is to run around in circles, boss people around, and leave the party when they please, such as our friend Tigy proved.
Then it happened! Our WAR/NIN didn't have blink!
Whatever, I wasted 2 hours basically comandeering this party, so we head out to camp. We pull a beetle, and UNFORTUNATELY, no one died, the beetle was slept and we managed to get away(Why!??!? WHY!!!!!).
Someone in my LS did make some sense of it, however. He said usually "fill-in" jobs get the worst parties, these being Monk, Thief, etc, because people unfortunately cannot understand the devastation either job can cause on the mob. So I combine Monk AND thief and get a super uninvitable job! Yipee!
So the moral of the story here is, it's clear why **** may be starting to invite english players less, I'd do the same.

What anoys me is when someone who has the godly stuff for every single level expects, because most likely they either botted for it or bought the gil online to pay for it, I dont know how to bot, nor do I have the money to buy gil online so I guess im just screwed and end up at the back of the line for PT invites