I have a friend who will be starting soon and I'd like to give him some good pointers about why he would want to start in a particular nation. I myself started in Sandoria, so, I would naturally have him start there as well. But, I'd really like to hear some other players ideas or reasons for choosing one nation over the other.
Thanks ^^
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Well, keep in mind that each nation is the homeland of a certain race but I personally dont think that makes much of a difference. I think you should help him choose based on the job he's going to be starting out with. If he's going to be a Mage-type job, then obviously his best bet would be Windurst. Why? Because the magic shops around town would make it much easier for him to get his lower level spells at reasonable prices (If the AH is too high he can try the Magic shop and vice versa).
That's just an example. Bastok would be better for anyone looking to start a class that's more dependable on weapons and armor and especially if they will be looking into smithing or goldsmithing in the future.
Let him decide what job he wants to be, let him know about the possibilites of all the crafting jobs and when he decides, THEN you 2 can figure out which would be the best nation for him to choose.
BUT, if I had to choose one, I'd go to windurst over and over again. Mainly because I love the mage jobs more than anything, and being a BLM, Shantotto is my best friend ^^
Edited, Fri Sep 3 14:02:55 2004 by Eleusynia
That's just an example. Bastok would be better for anyone looking to start a class that's more dependable on weapons and armor and especially if they will be looking into smithing or goldsmithing in the future.
Let him decide what job he wants to be, let him know about the possibilites of all the crafting jobs and when he decides, THEN you 2 can figure out which would be the best nation for him to choose.
BUT, if I had to choose one, I'd go to windurst over and over again. Mainly because I love the mage jobs more than anything, and being a BLM, Shantotto is my best friend ^^
Edited, Fri Sep 3 14:02:55 2004 by Eleusynia
Eleusynia wrote:
Well, keep in mind that each nation is the homeland of a certain race but I personally dont think that makes much of a difference.
I would also trend away from San d'Oria simply because it's the biggest place for /shouters outside Jeuno. Windurst's low-level quests are pretty easy and give some good rewards, especially for new Monks.
That's true about the rings, I didn't forget. I just think that if you are going to choose a nation of allegiance, there may be more pressing issues to address then one item you'd receive.
But the rings are a nice little bonus, if you have the right combination of race/job. (As in you can't be a galka mage and get the windurstian ring, etc..)
But the rings are a nice little bonus, if you have the right combination of race/job. (As in you can't be a galka mage and get the windurstian ring, etc..)
Have him choose either San o'Doria or Windhurst because, well, basically...Bastok sucks. On most servers for some reason. If you ever hope to be able to get tele's to the majority of the regional outposts be advised don't pick Bastok.
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Have him choose either San o'Doria or Windhurst because, well, basically...Bastok sucks. On most servers for some reason. If you ever hope to be able to get tele's to the majority of the regional outposts be advised don't pick Bastok.
...and this is the main reason why Bastok sucks?
I'll have you know, sir, that we are currently ranked number 2 in conquest. Guess who's last... yessir! It's Windurst!
So, with that in mind, I guess Bastok is in the clear and it is currently Windurst that sucks.
Of course, in such a dynamic system, the city that "sucks" will move up and down on the list.
Anyway... have your friend choose the corresponding city for the race he plans on being. Humes/Galkas in Bastok, Elvaan in San D'oria, and Tarutaru/Mithra in Windurst.
I found that rasing a Hume mage with Bastokan alleigance made no difference whatsoever in my ability to advance, including spell costs at shops and auction houses. Then again, this is my own personal experience. It varies by user, of course.
Plus, you get a nifty ring!
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I personally never would bother with the ring for 2 reasons:
1) The "best place" to start with your character is the corresponding nation which is sometimes completely wrong.
2) It can be easily replaced with something superior to it around lvl 30 for the most part(sometimes earlier).
Take, for example, my friend who will be starting the game in a couple weeks. He wants to be a Mithra DRK. What place should he start at? Well if you haven't guessed, that Windurstian ring isn't going to help him out very much so he can choose wherever he wants to go. So basically, we narrowed down his search rather quickly by looking at these 3 descriptions(Disclaimer, some of these could be of my personal opinion but i consider them mostly to be well known facts about each area):
Windurst + : Fishing and cooking guilds and quite a few magic shops make getting through those low lvl mage jobs easier(and cheaper).
Windurst - : Horridly huge maps, somewhat confusing layout. Most mog house locations are in awkward positions on the maps.
Bastok + : Easy layout to understand. Melee players' heaven(lower prices on AH melee equipment). I also personally love the Mog house placement in bastok...its almost perfect.
Bastok - : As stated earlier in this thread, the city is fairly quiet ,ergo, getting teleports/help is more hard to find here(this comes from my rank 2-3 quest i did in Palbourough, but that was some months ago).
Sandy + : Again, very easy layout. Not hard to get lost here. Lots of stuff going on(someone is always shouting it seems for the eco-warrior or a rank quest). Mog house placement is good, but not as good as Bastok.
Sandy - : Seems like everything in the AH here is higher priced. Lots of immature shouting in S. Sandy in particular.
So whats his verdict? Well he definitely doesn't want Windy because he doesn't plan on doing any mage classes atm, so he's considering Bastok or Sandy. Between the 2, he's pretty much decided that Sandy will be his starting point. The one thing that sold him was the quests. I do think that S. Sandy is the place to be when ur bored and just looking for something to do cause most of the time, something is going on. The Eco-warrior in particular is an excellent opportunity to experience alliance PTing, and, so i hear, its the easiest of all nations(I tried Bastok's, but never Windy's). Plus the gil and XP never hurt anyone ^^. His interest in Woodworking kinda sealed the deal.
I personally didn't think about these things when i was a new taru...so i went to Sandy...(>_<) I regret it more than ever now cause i like cooking, and i hate having to run back and forth to get all my Bard spells.
Basic moral of the story: Don't select a nation based soley on which nation your race corresponds to. Take a look at the big picture before making your decision.
-Zero
Edited, Fri Sep 3 18:25:43 2004 by Drowsorez
1) The "best place" to start with your character is the corresponding nation which is sometimes completely wrong.
2) It can be easily replaced with something superior to it around lvl 30 for the most part(sometimes earlier).
Take, for example, my friend who will be starting the game in a couple weeks. He wants to be a Mithra DRK. What place should he start at? Well if you haven't guessed, that Windurstian ring isn't going to help him out very much so he can choose wherever he wants to go. So basically, we narrowed down his search rather quickly by looking at these 3 descriptions(Disclaimer, some of these could be of my personal opinion but i consider them mostly to be well known facts about each area):
Windurst + : Fishing and cooking guilds and quite a few magic shops make getting through those low lvl mage jobs easier(and cheaper).
Windurst - : Horridly huge maps, somewhat confusing layout. Most mog house locations are in awkward positions on the maps.
Bastok + : Easy layout to understand. Melee players' heaven(lower prices on AH melee equipment). I also personally love the Mog house placement in bastok...its almost perfect.
Bastok - : As stated earlier in this thread, the city is fairly quiet ,ergo, getting teleports/help is more hard to find here(this comes from my rank 2-3 quest i did in Palbourough, but that was some months ago).
Sandy + : Again, very easy layout. Not hard to get lost here. Lots of stuff going on(someone is always shouting it seems for the eco-warrior or a rank quest). Mog house placement is good, but not as good as Bastok.
Sandy - : Seems like everything in the AH here is higher priced. Lots of immature shouting in S. Sandy in particular.
So whats his verdict? Well he definitely doesn't want Windy because he doesn't plan on doing any mage classes atm, so he's considering Bastok or Sandy. Between the 2, he's pretty much decided that Sandy will be his starting point. The one thing that sold him was the quests. I do think that S. Sandy is the place to be when ur bored and just looking for something to do cause most of the time, something is going on. The Eco-warrior in particular is an excellent opportunity to experience alliance PTing, and, so i hear, its the easiest of all nations(I tried Bastok's, but never Windy's). Plus the gil and XP never hurt anyone ^^. His interest in Woodworking kinda sealed the deal.
I personally didn't think about these things when i was a new taru...so i went to Sandy...(>_<) I regret it more than ever now cause i like cooking, and i hate having to run back and forth to get all my Bard spells.
Basic moral of the story: Don't select a nation based soley on which nation your race corresponds to. Take a look at the big picture before making your decision.
-Zero
Edited, Fri Sep 3 18:25:43 2004 by Drowsorez
Thanks for the ideas. I'll point him in the direction of the thread and see what he thinks ^.~
sagashe wrote:
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Have him choose either San o'Doria or Windhurst because, well, basically...Bastok sucks. On most servers for some reason. If you ever hope to be able to get tele's to the majority of the regional outposts be advised don't pick Bastok.
...and this is the main reason why Bastok sucks?
I'll have you know, sir, that we are currently ranked number 2 in conquest. Guess who's last... yessir! It's Windurst!
So, with that in mind, I guess Bastok is in the clear and it is currently Windurst that sucks.
Of course, in such a dynamic system, the city that "sucks" will move up and down on the list.
Anyway... have your friend choose the corresponding city for the race he plans on being. Humes/Galkas in Bastok, Elvaan in San D'oria, and Tarutaru/Mithra in Windurst.
I found that rasing a Hume mage with Bastokan alleigance made no difference whatsoever in my ability to advance, including spell costs at shops and auction houses. Then again, this is my own personal experience. It varies by user, of course.
Plus, you get a nifty ring!
--Arondight, Bismarck
Yeah, you guys got 1st place on Bismarck server (for the first time in what, 8 months?) So, I will correct myself. If your friend wants to be in first place once in 8 months, choose Bastok.
Personally I started out in Bastok to get the ring I melee, but then i switched to windy because i do my farming there now in tahrongi
I would think a AGI+ 1 INT+1 MP+3 ring would be great for a beginning DRK. but hey, I could be wrong.
*pssst, that's what Mithra's get if they start in Windurst, perfect for a low level DRK*
*pssst, that's what Mithra's get if they start in Windurst, perfect for a low level DRK*
Windy is layed out the way it is layed out for a reason (but you find that out later)!
Sandy is fun as it has awesome music and is easy to run around in (though from what I hear it has the most boring of all the storylines of FFXI). It's also easy to level and has that Funguar cave that you can go solo from 10-13 in for dark crystals and shrooms in Ghelsba.
Windy is fun and from what i've seen so far, has one of the better storylines (this also comes from a rank 10 sandy, windy friend) and is fun to level in until level 7 when you find yourself wondering...what do i kill?
Bastok is a great place to be for a melee (buy a stack of mithkabobs and a bow and you'll find that bee's are a wonderful thing here!). However, I had trouble leveling post level 7 at a reasonable pace. I also know nothing of the story line of Bastok so I can't say anything on it here.
I chose taru because i wanted an excuse to be annoyingly cute and weird. I chose Windy because it is annoyingly cute and weird. But, your friend should pick where you are so you can both go Ranking up together and help each other out (it's what the game is about!).
Have fun in any case.
Sandy is fun as it has awesome music and is easy to run around in (though from what I hear it has the most boring of all the storylines of FFXI). It's also easy to level and has that Funguar cave that you can go solo from 10-13 in for dark crystals and shrooms in Ghelsba.
Windy is fun and from what i've seen so far, has one of the better storylines (this also comes from a rank 10 sandy, windy friend) and is fun to level in until level 7 when you find yourself wondering...what do i kill?
Bastok is a great place to be for a melee (buy a stack of mithkabobs and a bow and you'll find that bee's are a wonderful thing here!). However, I had trouble leveling post level 7 at a reasonable pace. I also know nothing of the story line of Bastok so I can't say anything on it here.
I chose taru because i wanted an excuse to be annoyingly cute and weird. I chose Windy because it is annoyingly cute and weird. But, your friend should pick where you are so you can both go Ranking up together and help each other out (it's what the game is about!).
Have fun in any case.
Drowsorez wrote:
I personally never would bother with the ring for 2 reasons:
1) The "best place" to start with your character is the corresponding nation which is sometimes completely wrong.
2) It can be easily replaced with something superior to it around lvl 30 for the most part(sometimes earlier).
1) The "best place" to start with your character is the corresponding nation which is sometimes completely wrong.
2) It can be easily replaced with something superior to it around lvl 30 for the most part(sometimes earlier).
Drowsorez wrote:
So basically, we narrowed down his search rather quickly by looking at these 3 descriptions(Disclaimer, some of these could be of my personal opinion but i consider them mostly to be well known facts about each area):
Windurst + : Fishing and cooking guilds and quite a few magic shops make getting through those low lvl mage jobs easier(and cheaper).
Windurst - : Horridly huge maps, somewhat confusing layout. Most mog house locations are in awkward positions on the maps.
Windurst + : Fishing and cooking guilds and quite a few magic shops make getting through those low lvl mage jobs easier(and cheaper).
Windurst - : Horridly huge maps, somewhat confusing layout. Most mog house locations are in awkward positions on the maps.
Also, if you're a DRK, this place would be useful, since the odds are decent that the best way to build up to a DRK include a RDM or BLM path. Mages. (ding!)
Drowsorez wrote:
Sandy + : Again, very easy layout. Not hard to get lost here.
Drowsorez wrote:
Lots of stuff going on(someone is always shouting it seems for the eco-warrior or a rank quest). Mog house placement is good, but not as good as Bastok.
Sandy - : Seems like everything in the AH here is higher priced. Lots of immature shouting in S. Sandy in particular.
Sandy - : Seems like everything in the AH here is higher priced. Lots of immature shouting in S. Sandy in particular.
Drowsorez wrote:
Basic moral of the story: Don't select a nation based soley on which nation your race corresponds to. Take a look at the big picture before making your decision.
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Yeah, you guys got 1st place on Bismarck server (for the first time in what, 8 months?) So, I will correct myself. If your friend wants to be in first place once in 8 months, choose Bastok
Really people, you HAVE to pay attention to the rankings now and again. Bastok was in first place at LEAST 4 times in a row just a couple months ago. And before that, I KNOW in April (just before my husband quit) there were at least 2 weeks in a row that Bastok was in first. It isn't too terribly often, but JEEZ, we aren't always in last =P
Grimina wrote:
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Yeah, you guys got 1st place on Bismarck server (for the first time in what, 8 months?) So, I will correct myself. If your friend wants to be in first place once in 8 months, choose Bastok
Really people, you HAVE to pay attention to the rankings now and again. Bastok was in first place at LEAST 4 times in a row just a couple months ago. And before that, I KNOW in April (just before my husband quit) there were at least 2 weeks in a row that Bastok was in first. It isn't too terribly often, but JEEZ, we aren't always in last =P
Lol, I swear to whatever diety you hold as holy that I constantly check the ratings and I have never seen Bastok in first place. Never. Now perhaps the first few weeks I played (which was, 'bout 8 months ago) I didn't know much about it and didn't look it up, but I have not seen them in first since. Even two members of my LS who have played longer than I have and are residents of Bastok do not recall ever seeing Bastok in first on this server since they have played either. No offense but I think your wishful thinking is in your mind, like a rumor festering into fact. ^^
I beg to differ. I can kinda understand why people wouldn't remember though, because everyone SAYS it never happens, and each time someone says that they add another month to it. One week it's "Bastok hasn't been in first for 3 months" the next week it's "Bastok hasn't been in first for 4 months!" because the person who said it second forgets when they READ the first person's post. Felt like it had been awhile, so they just tack on another month. Then the next person comes along 2 weeks later and because they can't remember when they read the other posts, just tacks on another month and "jeez, it's been 5 months since Bastok was in 1st!"
But even if you don't believe that it's only been a couple of months(I have no "proof" so I can understand why you wouldn't) I know for a FACT (not a guess...a FACT) that it has been sooner than 8 months, because my husband..right before he quit to play City of Heroes the day it was released...bought a Legionnaire's Scythe with conquest points which you can't get unless Bastok is in 1st place.
So there ya go. It's easy to forget, because really, it isn't that often. Just not nearly as long as people say =)
*just talked to husband who says he got 2 of them as a matter of fact and sold one in AH*
Edited, Tue Sep 7 14:20:25 2004 by Grimina
But even if you don't believe that it's only been a couple of months(I have no "proof" so I can understand why you wouldn't) I know for a FACT (not a guess...a FACT) that it has been sooner than 8 months, because my husband..right before he quit to play City of Heroes the day it was released...bought a Legionnaire's Scythe with conquest points which you can't get unless Bastok is in 1st place.
So there ya go. It's easy to forget, because really, it isn't that often. Just not nearly as long as people say =)
*just talked to husband who says he got 2 of them as a matter of fact and sold one in AH*
Edited, Tue Sep 7 14:20:25 2004 by Grimina
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