I was hunting spook yesterday and there was one WAR there who for the life of me I could not figure out how he voked so damn fast. I was subbed WAR and so was my friend. 3 WARs all voking and he won EVERY single time. Even when my screen said "Eleusynia provokes the spook" way before he made any move somehow he always got it.
Right before I logged he told how he was doing it "faster then anyone else". First off he said that PS2 has a faster response time then PCs do (I dont know much about comps so I dont know if that is true). But i'm on PS2 as well and I still couldnt beat him. And then he told me that having a macro for voke was our problem o_0
He said that by hitting CTRL+J and selecting voke quickly, you would get it off way faster than any macro.
Here is my question to those of you who have done WAR into the higher levels. Is that actually true? Is going through the menu system actually faster then setting a voke macro?
(Again I dont know much about playing a WAR so I wanted other opinions).
** And I need to stop making threads. Every other one was started by me ; ;
Edited, Thu Sep 2 09:57:11 2004 by Eleusynia
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well, i've beaten quite a few players WAR/ and /WAR, not to mention
BLM, RDM, WHM as well.
I don't see how CTRL+J and selecting Provoke will happen faster
than say, CTRL+0 which holds a Provoke macro, especially if you
have the mob spawn timer down, you can just spam CTRL+0 over and
over again, and once it pops, even before it goes to red dot on
your radar screen (for those that can see the red dots), it's yours. ^^
here is my NM hunting Provoke macro:
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
which targets the closest NPC to you, then Provokes it. beware,
because /targetnpc will also target Harvesting, Logging, Excavation,
and Mining Points, as well as Dragoon and Beastmaster pets. ><
a typical tule of thumb that i use, is position yourself and face in
the general direction on where you hope your intended mob will
spawn (Provoke has a fairly wide arc) and also so that any unwanted
targets are off screen. you will have to test this, but technically
someone could be standing right next to you with their pet, and
you can still out-Provoke them. ^^
Baimo used to do that that all the time on me at Oozes in
Beadeaux, and he always lost. ^^
BLM, RDM, WHM as well.
I don't see how CTRL+J and selecting Provoke will happen faster
than say, CTRL+0 which holds a Provoke macro, especially if you
have the mob spawn timer down, you can just spam CTRL+0 over and
over again, and once it pops, even before it goes to red dot on
your radar screen (for those that can see the red dots), it's yours. ^^
here is my NM hunting Provoke macro:
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
which targets the closest NPC to you, then Provokes it. beware,
because /targetnpc will also target Harvesting, Logging, Excavation,
and Mining Points, as well as Dragoon and Beastmaster pets. ><
a typical tule of thumb that i use, is position yourself and face in
the general direction on where you hope your intended mob will
spawn (Provoke has a fairly wide arc) and also so that any unwanted
targets are off screen. you will have to test this, but technically
someone could be standing right next to you with their pet, and
you can still out-Provoke them. ^^
Baimo used to do that that all the time on me at Oozes in
Beadeaux, and he always lost. ^^
Yea that's the same macro I have, and I had that problem with the tombstone ><
But we did angle ourselves so each of us had one side of the tomb covered without actually targetting it. Somehow he just kept claiming it even if he voked AFTER both of us did. I was a little peeved to say the least ^^;
I guess I'll just have to chalk one up to extremely bad luck over and over and over again....
Edited, Thu Sep 2 10:29:47 2004 by Eleusynia
But we did angle ourselves so each of us had one side of the tomb covered without actually targetting it. Somehow he just kept claiming it even if he voked AFTER both of us did. I was a little peeved to say the least ^^;
I guess I'll just have to chalk one up to extremely bad luck over and over and over again....
Edited, Thu Sep 2 10:29:47 2004 by Eleusynia
I've heard the theory that choosing Provoke from your JA list will indeed go faster than a /targetnpc macro, since the game will automatically select the closest target and give you an error if it isn't a valid one. I've tried it hunting Chymes but haven't had any success - mostly because the last time I tried Chymes, they were all spawning claimed. >< Next time I have any time at all to hunt anything, I'll experiment and post my results here.
try this macro instead:
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
and spam that. Since the second and third vokes wont suffer the same delay as when you hit the macro the first time.
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
and spam that. Since the second and third vokes wont suffer the same delay as when you hit the macro the first time.
Ah, there's an idea. Thanks Tsetsuo, I'll try that tonight maybe.
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Hmm, well, you might want to try this instead. Select your character then open the menu. Select the provoke job ability then basically keep pressing the button to activate it as quickly as you can. It is indeed faster than using a macro I have found in my experience although in the end it doesn't guarantee a claim. Hope this helps. Oh, and if he is on the PS2, it is possible he is using a turbo controller which would make it easier for him to 'spam' the ja better.
Using CTRL+J and smashing provoke from the list will actually cause that effect where the monster sometimes spawns claimed to other people...Heh, and there are the suckers that think those are voke bots 100% of the time...
So yeah, it does work faster than the /targetnpc /ja "Provoke" <t> macro mainly because there's a slight delay after you target the NPC before it moves on to your next line, which is the /ja line.
Try it on anything, you'll see it'll target an npc, wait about a second or so and THEN provoke it.
The macro Tsetsuo is thinking of is actually:
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
/ja "Provoke" <t>
/ja "Provoke" <t>
3 provoke commands, and ONE targetnpc, adding targetnpcs in between is just like creating 3 different macros, and you're back where you started.
Hope this helps
-Arkard
*edit*
What the person using PS2 could have is a turbo controller, if that's the case then yes, he does have an advantage over other people. But it still doesn't stop a PC user from buying a turbo controller and doing the same thing.
Edited, Thu Sep 2 14:07:50 2004 by Tiocfaidh
So yeah, it does work faster than the /targetnpc /ja "Provoke" <t> macro mainly because there's a slight delay after you target the NPC before it moves on to your next line, which is the /ja line.
Try it on anything, you'll see it'll target an npc, wait about a second or so and THEN provoke it.
The macro Tsetsuo is thinking of is actually:
/targetnpc
/ja "Provoke" <t>
/ja "Provoke" <t>
/ja "Provoke" <t>
3 provoke commands, and ONE targetnpc, adding targetnpcs in between is just like creating 3 different macros, and you're back where you started.
Hope this helps
-Arkard
*edit*
What the person using PS2 could have is a turbo controller, if that's the case then yes, he does have an advantage over other people. But it still doesn't stop a PC user from buying a turbo controller and doing the same thing.
Edited, Thu Sep 2 14:07:50 2004 by Tiocfaidh
The problem is not that he's faster on his vokes. The problem is that there is a glitch the SE has yet to fix where even if someone vokes a mob, someone can voke it off of them. I'll paste the thread from KI where I read about this. HNM campers say it happens all the time--that and they complain about how much more delay we have than the JP players. So, anyway I'm off to find that lovely thread. I'll edit this post when I find it. ^^
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&p=257337#257337
That's that post. Enjoy.
Edited, Thu Sep 2 15:57:47 2004 by Theophany
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&p=257337#257337
That's that post. Enjoy.
Edited, Thu Sep 2 15:57:47 2004 by Theophany
It's not a "glitch".
The servers are in Japan, therefore they have an advantage, but I don't think this is what Ele was referring to.
The servers are in Japan, therefore they have an advantage, but I don't think this is what Ele was referring to.
This guy wasn't Japanese though.
I guess what irked me most was that he kept saying he would leave as soon as he had enough money to buy his RSE (gah ><) but until then, he said no one was going to get a spook. It was the cocky attitude more than anything that really made me want to beat him to the voke, I'm usually not a bad sport when it comes to NM hunting. I even offered to help him quest his RSE when we first met because he said he had no one to help him.
But anyway, I'll try all the suggestions I got and see if any work faster than the macro.
I guess what irked me most was that he kept saying he would leave as soon as he had enough money to buy his RSE (gah ><) but until then, he said no one was going to get a spook. It was the cocky attitude more than anything that really made me want to beat him to the voke, I'm usually not a bad sport when it comes to NM hunting. I even offered to help him quest his RSE when we first met because he said he had no one to help him.
But anyway, I'll try all the suggestions I got and see if any work faster than the macro.
It actually is a glitch, if you read the link I posted.
The "glitch" that SE has to fix is the problem where yes, THAT double voke happens and the one where your mobs turn yellow during a fight.
But that still doesn't stop **** from having an advantage due to the servers being in Japan.
At least until/if they add a server in the U.S.
But that still doesn't stop **** from having an advantage due to the servers being in Japan.
At least until/if they add a server in the U.S.
In all honesty, it's about a 0.5 second advantage. While I know that this is an issue with HNMs, etc...I fail to see how that affects everyone's day-to-day playing.
It doesn't affect day-to-day playing. Just NM hunting, and that's what this post is about. =P
.5 seconds is enough to get a provoke off as far as I'm concerned, and if you've ever camped Mee Deggi or Spook you'll notice that maybe 99% of the time, **** claim it due to that SLIGHT advantage.
Hell, you could have an NA voke botting and a *** just smashing their macro or Provoke from their ability window and they'd STILL win.
.5 seconds is enough to get a provoke off as far as I'm concerned, and if you've ever camped Mee Deggi or Spook you'll notice that maybe 99% of the time, **** claim it due to that SLIGHT advantage.
Hell, you could have an NA voke botting and a *** just smashing their macro or Provoke from their ability window and they'd STILL win.
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