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#1 Jul 12 2005 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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I'd like to thank you for this ad-free week. The site runs so much smoother without them. I never realized that it wasn't Alla that was bogged down, but rather the ads on Alla. Now I'll have to go through my wallet and see if I can spare enough for a premium membership.
#3 Jul 12 2005 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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Well it may be a good marketing strategy.

I also like it. I thought that despite not having to see the ads(or if I see them they go in the Hosts file) it would load as slowly, but no. It loads pretty quickly... Apparently it does so because it doesn't have to redirect the ad sites to 127.0.0.1 which apparently speeds it up!

I must say that I still hate the fact that I am not 18 and even if I was my checking account for credit card purposes would be damned small due to evil colleges checking bank accounts to see how poor one is.

Too bad the ads bring in so little revenue...
#4 Jul 13 2005 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm relatively sure I'll get marked down for this, but that wouldn't stop me from stating my mind.

I think this "Ad-free" week is one of the most insipid campaigns I've come across in a long time.

It is understandable to need some sort of revunue to pay for the bandwidth and upkeep of a website. I've never understood the need to make users pay for certain privilages, as they are, but I condone them as they are the website's choice.

However, I cannot condone Allakhazam laying the blame completely upon the advertisers. Allakhazam has the choice of what advertisements to accept and to review which ones cause a negative impact on their site. If they choose to accept those advertisement banners for monetary gain, that is Allakhazam's choice and no one else's. I have seen much smaller sites with similar or larger bandwidth input and output without such intrusive advertisements.

I've rarely come across any other website that has as many problems revolving its advertisers as this one. I've on many occasions had a page stop loading, freeze while searching for the host of an advertiser, or simply take an unusually long time to load. I can think of very few other websites with such severe problems.

This website could not be what it is without its users. For Allakhazam to imply that its users should not get the best service the website has to offer without paying for it is not only naive, but insulting. To create a problem and then try to profit from its solution is, by definition, extortion.
#5 Jul 13 2005 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Ever been to Avidgamers.com? Any site that has an insanely large amount of users and low amount of revenue will try to gain the revenue it can. I can name very few sites that have worse loading times, but I can definitely give a lot more gaming sites that have approximately equal loading times.

Here are something Alla could do to alleviate that, all of which are much harder than implementing the premium system already in place:

1. Forge a partnership with some other gaming community, which may be worse for us users.
2. if it was a hosting/e-mail/etc. company like swirve.com which Runs Utopia and Earth2025, two very large text based browser games each of which has approximately 100K users, Alla could offer those services out and gain some more revenue.
3. Ask for donations, which will probably be very low because a large majority of the viewers of this site are those under the age of 18 years old, myself included though I am very close.

Sorry to say, friend Crux, but obviously you do not have much or any experience with the internet and finding revenue on the internet. It's not easy. You know why massively visted non-gaming sites such as Wikipedia and Slashdot(/.) can offer their services free of charge without any advertisement at all and with very fast connections? Because they get sponsors from large companies who give them money/capital to spend as such. If they do a good enough job and are innovative, people will support them. SO far out of gaming sites, I've seen only a handful which were solely supported by their users through donations, and they were very small. Around the area of 2K-5K users.

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This website could not be what it is without its users. For Allakhazam to imply that its users should not get the best service the website has to offer without paying for it is not only naive, but insulting. To create a problem and then try to profit from its solution is, by definition, extortion.


Believe me, out of gaming sites, I can name you SO many which take the same approach. The policy is not there to insult people nor is it there to extort peoploe. It is to do business. It is common practice.

I dare you: Name me 10 gaming sites that are as large as Allakhazam and allow all users to have the same privileges and little advertising. Eh? I don't think you will find many.

Good job with eloquent speech and good vocab. I like that. But you have to learn the way the internet world works.
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3. Ask for donations, which will probably be very low because a large majority of the viewers of this site are those under the age of 18 years old, myself included though I am very close.
Allakhazam is actually "AllaKhazam.com, LLC" meaning that it's a company. From what I understand from other forum sites I've been on, having a company accept donations is a fairly difficult and sticky situation.

I'm premium so the entire banner ad thing is past me and I have little opinion on it -- just wanted to point out the donation issue.
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#7 Jul 13 2005 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry to say, friend Crux, but obviously you do not have much or any experience with the internet and finding revenue on the internet. It's not easy. You know why massively visted non-gaming sites such as Wikipedia and Slashdot(/.) can offer their services free of charge without any advertisement at all and with very fast connections? Because they get sponsors from large companies who give them money/capital to spend as such. If they do a good enough job and are innovative, people will support them. SO far out of gaming sites, I've seen only a handful which were solely supported by their users through donations, and they were very small. Around the area of 2K-5K users.


I appreciate the respecting reply, Bagira (and I like your name), but your insinuation is far off base. My wife works for one of the largest internet compananies in the world. Specifically, she handles advertising campaigns for companies whom advertise on that site. This means that she does not specifically advertise for the site she works for, but handles the advertisements of other websites. Being very close to my wife, I know far more about internet advertising than most. If I have to, I can even start giving numbers. But I hardly think that would be necessary.

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I dare you: Name me 10 gaming sites that are as large as Allakhazam and allow all users to have the same privileges and little advertising. Eh? I don't think you will find many.


Therein lies another insinuation: I never once harped about the amount of advertisements. I can think of many websites with much worse advertising as far as space and images are concerned, in particular. I wouldn't dare complain about advertisements as such, since such is the way of revunue on the internet. My complaint was the amount of problems coupled with Allakhazam's advertisements. If they were to take the time to review those advertisements which cause problems and only accept those that don't, they could alleviate many of the problems facing the advertisements as a whole.

My challenge to you: Name 10 gaming sites, of any size or scope, that have similar severe problems as Allakhazam's. Examples of these would be having to refresh a page several times to simply get the content to load or pages freezing while looking for the host of an advertiser.

The fact that Allakhazam has a large user base does not, and should not, have to be a negative. More users means more potential revunue. And with the amount of potential revunue Allakhazam has, they could be making better choices than to imply that users should have to pay for a site that works consistantly.
#8 Jul 13 2005 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Let me give you some stats:

- We do around 5,000,000 page views a day.
- We run on 15 high end, dual processor, dedicated servers.
- We have several million unique visitors a month.
- We average 54 mb/sec bandwidth transfer.
- According to Alexa, which is probably the best source for website rankings, we are currently the 1,064th most visited site on the internet for all languages. In comparison slashdot is 1,425th. (Yes we are busier than slashdot). Some others: xbox.com = 1,270, nvidea.com = 1,917, fileplanet.com = 1,864, blizzard.com = 2,558.

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#9 Jul 13 2005 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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If I remember correctly, Alla's pays a 3rd party for the banners who in turn pick the advertiser's and Alla's can request the 3rd party to remove an ad they don't like. I don't think they can actually preview the ads before they go on the site though. This would also imply that they wouldn't know a particular ad was breaking the site unless someone reported it (which I've seen Angsty do a couple of times, but I don't think the average user understands the process).

All of this is conjecture from reading other threads on the subject over the past 2 years or so though, so things may have changed, or even never actually been this way (because I misunderstood) Smiley: blush.
#10 Jul 13 2005 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, i've had premo for awhile, but the real deciding factor for me was the adds. I didn't really notice too much a speed difference (Smiley: inlove my fast internet) but the pop-ups (in the window, not new window) and such... The other things were just bonuses in a sense for me.

The lack of ads is really just a small benefit of premo, but I think it is one that could change alot of people's minds.
#11 Jul 15 2005 at 11:24 PM Rating: Good
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I pay for premo for one reason and one reason only.


<-----Smiley: grin

Oh yea that and I think that Allakhazam is the best gaming website on the internet hands down and they deserved to be paid.

Edited, Sat Jul 16 00:28:15 2005 by Lamnethx
#12 Jul 16 2005 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
Just block ads.
#13 Jul 16 2005 at 1:05 AM Rating: Good
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Your browser still has to load them so that won't stop the slow down.
#14 Jul 16 2005 at 11:16 PM Rating: Good
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